Perhaps we should study whether having their eyes poked out leads to fewer thoughts of suicide, then we could compare results!
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International endocrinologists speak out against US gender transition medicine
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The efficacy of stabbing eyes is demonstrably
of no value. So that analogy fails.
Instead, study the effects of heart bypass
surgery vs not having it. A friend had it
recently, & it saved his life. But my sainted
mother-in-law died of complications from it.
So there's something to evaluate.
Of course it was a silly example, but more generally, how do we know ahead of time?
Bingo!
And what this group of 21 professionals is concluding is that the benefits are unsubstaniated, and the substantial risks were already known beforehand.
Rational thinking.
21 experts....out of how many total?
Where is their analysis?
I would suggest to you that concentration on psychotherapy makes the implicit assumption that something is wrong with the transgendered person's brain -- that their genitalia defines the "real person."I don't think that that's what the endrocrinologists and I are thinking. I will NOT accept being lumped in with GOP lawmakers
I think the answer is psychotherapy - of some sort. At least until a person is 21.
Remember, the rates of suicidal thoughts and suicides are sharply up across ALL youths. Also remember that for most every youth, sexuality is confusing, uncomfortable and traumatic.
As a gay man, whose possession of a penis definitely does not mandate that he seek out a vagina for satisfaction, I have some difficulty buying that.
I've been looking for their analysis. So far, this is only reported in conservative spaces -- and they don't include that sort of "irrelevant detail."
There are many reasons why a young person might feel dysphoria. Some are transitory, some are not.
By no means am I saying that genitalia defines the person.
I'm reading two points here? (not sure?)
First off, I think it's a mistake to put sexual attraction in the same category as body dysphoria, no?
Second, you seem to be making some assumptions about what I believe. What part of what I actually said are you not buying?
You have, so far, said a great deal about what you don't think should be permitted for persons suffering gender dysphoria under the age of 21. The only thing you have allowed for is "psychotherapy," and that directly implies that the "problem" is the brain. I have seen that before, in this very thread, for example when @Clizby Wampuscat repeatedly and stubbornly denies that the mind has any part to play in gender identity, and that only the genitalia and X/Y chromosomes do. I see the human organism as far, far too complex to be reduced to such simplistic notions.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I dunno why a compromise can't be made.
For minors, allow treatments that can be reversed, and permanent treatments allowed upon adulthood.
For minors, allow treatments that can be reversed, and permanent treatments allowed upon adulthood.
FWIW, I think "we" are a complex mind/body system. If someone is experiencing dysphoria, then isn't it safe to say that something in the system is amiss?
Exactly! But when you insist that only psychotherapy is the answer -- you assert which part of the system is wrong. And I don't know that you can do that. I don't think you know that you can do that. I'm not 100% sure the medical profession can do it either.
What I am 100% sure of, is that politicians , whose motives are generally their own power and getting re-elected, certainly cannot.
Which is what takes me to -- let the individual, the family, and their professional care-givers make the best decisions that they can.
I think we agree more than we disagree. First off, I'm not saying it's the only answer. In addition to psychotherapy I think we ought to look at the whole spectrum of environmental factors that are causing so many young people to lean towards suicide. One example (not one that I would take as a single, silver bullet answer), would be to take all social media away from a suicidal youth. I might also get them out of the house and out to a farm. We should be looking at diet, physical activity, and so on. All of these address the complex mind/body system.
Agreed.
Mostly agreed. I think that various bad actors might be involved in pushing extreme interventions on trans youth. These interventions are expensive, and almost guarantee a lifetime of even more, ongoing medical expenses. And make no mistake, medical profiteers are never too far away from those who set medical policies. It's also the case that pro-trans ideologues have their hands in determining what standards of care ought to be for trans youth. It would be nice if ONLY medical experts were making these extremely consequential decisions, but it's not the case
