Inviting Yugo: Genocide Lawsuit, ruling on Monday

[2nd2N1in12nd]

We had our own Bosnian Church, our own Bosancica Alphabet

Bosnia was part of Serbian Kingdom.
Serb Kulin Ban was relative of Stefan Nemanjic.
Bosnian Church ?
Bosancica alphabet ?
Bosnjaci ?
Why are you trying to sell me that garbage ?
Your ancestors were Serbs converted into Islam, that I respect just as every other
Religion. So stick to Allah, and leave Serbia alone.
Thank you

Jewpiter

 

[Djamila]

Bosnia was part of Serbian Kingdom. Serb Kulin Ban was relative of Stefan Nemanjic.

Ban Kulin was ethnically a Hungarian.

Bosnian Church ?
Bosancica alphabet ?
Bosnjaci ?

Yes.

Your ancestors were Serbs converted into Islam, that I respect just as every other Religion. So stick to Allah, and leave Serbia alone. Thank you

Actually, if you're going to adopt the "Bosnia never existed" position, you'd have to acknowledge we're actually Croats.

From "Bosnia: A Short History":

"As for the question of whether the inhabitants of Bosnia were really Croat or really Serb in 1180, it cannot be answered, for two reasons: first, because we lack evidence, and secondly, because the question lacks meaning. We can say that the majority of the Bosnian territory was probably occupied by Croats - or at least, by Slavs under Croat rule - in the seventh century; but that is a tribal label which has little or no meaning five centuries later. The Bosnians were generally closer to the Croats in their religious and political history; but to apply the modern notion of Croat identity (something constructed in recent centuries out of religion, history, and language) to anyone in this period would be an anachronism. All that one can sensibly say about the ethnic identity of the Bosnians is this: they were the Slavs who lived in Bosnia."

And good day to you as well. Please, keep the responses coming - this is fun.

 

[2nd2N1in12nd]

Ban Kulin was ethnically a Hungarian.


Actually, if you're going to adopt the "Bosnia never existed" position, you'd have to acknowledge we're actually Croats.

And good day to you as well. Please, keep the responses coming - this is fun.

If you continue this way, you might spend rest of your days searching who you really are.
I care less for Serbian Nationalists, I'm 100% Serb from Novi Sad, my wife is
African-American, my daughter is 4 and whatever American she wants to be.
I'm In Christ-anarchist, and definitely not for your kind of fun.
I have responded to you, because people of Serbia, or State of Serbia did not
commit Srebrenica genocide. Especialy not Novi Sad folks.
I study Torah prophecies and word of Jesus, I'm progressive house DJ, and
love everybody as myself.
Pretty soon, there will be no more religions, or nations, so there is not much
you and me can talk about.

love

Jewpiter iz YuPiter

 

[Yugo]

Djamila,

I think it's time to stop your surge of fasistic views, and intolerance.. It's been going on for far too long..really.
Hahahahha,

All I can say is, to all of you guys, stop looking at the past! (Except for 1945-92)... Look to the future of our countries instead! In the end that is more important, isn't it?

 

[Djamila]

Djamila,

I think it's time to stop your surge of fasistic views, and intolerance.. It's been going on for far too long..really.
Hahahahha,

LOL - I hate Yugoslav men. I could blow my legs off on a landmine, crawl home on my bloody stumps for three days, collapse at my husbands feet and tell him I love him, and get "You're not so bad, what a mess" in return.

But I do appreciate the sentiment. LOL Xox

All I can say is, to all of you guys, stop looking at the past! (Except for 1945-92)... Look to the future of our countries instead! In the end that is more important, isn't it?

Spoken like someone who did something bbbaaaddd. Kidding.

 

[Yugo]

In pictures: Sarajevo Bosnians on genocide decision

Adnan, 20, student, Muslim
It's bad because Serbia now has no responsibility for the genocide. Too many people are dead. Who will bring them back?
I lost my dad in the war. I feel terrible now because no-one will be punished for that. There must be responsibility. The judges don't know the facts - they need to come here and see what the war did to this country.

Mohammed, 25, student, Muslim
What happened is one thing, and what we can prove happened is another. The other side had a stronger team in court.
Material things, we can get back, but we cannot get back human beings. I lost my father as did many of my friends. I am from Srebrenica where it was proved it was genocide, but it also happened in other places, eg Prijedor.

Slobodan, 50, engineer, Serb
It wasn't the country, Serbia, that was involved in the war, but people from Serbia that came over to fight. The country is not guilty of genocide. The case won't change anything in relations between Bosnia and Serbia, but might even help in some way, as it will help the bad politicians to see what went wrong.

Mira, 67, Serb pensioner
I left and now live in Serbia. I come back to visit my sister. This case was not about justice. There's no justice because I can't go back to my old home in Bosnia.
When somebody is as old as me, this is the only important thing in the world. I'm not interested in the trial because it's all about blame. It's not going to help me come back here.

 

[Yugo]

Alexandra, 25, Serb student
In the history of civilisation it's never been just one country that's been guilty of genocide, as Serbia was accused of this time.
This case was important because of peace. Some people here say they will celebrate this decision, but I won't. I have a family with a small child, and the only thing that is important is peace.

 

[Yugo]

Great, so to represent Sarajevan Serbs they wen't to what looks like Lukavica in the pictures, and talked to one old man, a pensioner from Serbia, and a 25 year old student who looks more like she is 40! Nice.

 

[Djamila]

Slobodan is certainly in Lukavica village, you can tell by the neon pink commieblocks in the background.

The background in Mira's picture looks like the western suburbs of Sarajevo.

Aleksandra's picture is certainly taken in Sarajevo proper - the sign behind her is written in latinica and it doesn't say "Srpsko" anywhere, hahaha.

I don't understand Mira's comment - where exactly in Bosnia is she not allowed to return? I can understand her having problems returning, of course - but only Serb areas have passed laws making the return of non-Serbs illegal (Prijedor and Trebinje are the only two I know of) but even there these laws are constitutionally illegal and people have returned anyway.

Aleksandra's comment I respect, as a Serbian point of view. I don't agree with it, but I certainly would gladly welcome her over for dinner. Same with Slobodan.

 

[Djamila]

I'm very thankful that the court still ruled genocide did take place in Bosnia and Herzegovina. They had to, of course - that's already been established numerous times. Not finding Serbia guilty, as a state, is something I can live with. I don't agree with it, I think a state can be just as guilty as individuals - especially when the government arms, supports, and protects those individuals with overwhelming public approval.

I can live with responses like the one said here by Slobodan - I can't accept all the people who still say no genocide took place, like Serbian leaders in Bosnia's government have been saying over the past two days.

So I'm torn, really. I just wish the court had been able to see all the evidence. When you have something major like not seeing videos of Serbian soldiers at the Srebrenica massacre, or audio tapes of Milosevic authorizing the "liquidation" of concentration camps, then that breeds room for "what if".

What if they'd seen this evidence, would they then have been prepared to find a state guilty of genocide? What if the EU wasn't trying to soften Serbia's response to Kosovo's near-guaranteed independence? These sorts of things keep you trapped in that moment, and that's very frustrating.

But thank God there's no appeals, thank God for that. I can't live through these things again, I really can't.

Now it's just a matter of getting Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic convicted of genocide, and then - you know? I can live again. I won't have this ****ing thing on my back my entire life.

 

[Yugo]

Didn't Karadzic's wife publicy apolagize for what had happend in Sarajevo, or call for Karadzic to turn himself in last year? What do Sarajevans think of her? What do you see the future of Sarajevo and Bosnia proper being? Do you think we will ever be normal again?

 

[Djamila]

Didn't Karadzic's wife publicy apolagize for what had happend in Sarajevo, or call for Karadzic to turn himself in last year? What do Sarajevans think of her? What do you see the future of Sarajevo and Bosnia proper being? Do you think we will ever be normal again?

She didn't apologize. She asked for him to turn himself in because every police force in Bosnia, including the international ones, were hounding her and her children. Just last week they raided Sasa and Sonja's home again (his two children).

Sonja I have some sympathy for, she's estranged from her father and far, far too proud to give in to those like us who "hate" her - but she's a good person, I believe.

Ratko Mladic's daughter committed suicide because of what her father did in Bosnia, she left a note saying when he killed the people of Bosnia, he killed her too. That's the kind of woman I wish would've reconsidered, entered politics or some such thing instead.

It's only the losers who don't deserve it that live on sometimes, it seems.

 

[Djamila]

As for the future, I don't believe it'll ever be the way it was. I don't think Muslim children in Sarajevo will grow up not knowing Christmas isn't a Muslim holiday. I don't think Serbian children in Mostar will run alongside Roman Catholic girls in white gowns heading to their first communion, throwing flower petals on them, anymore.

I think this, one of the most beautiful aspects of what was Bosnia, is gone forever.

Peace, I think we can attain - if only because we're too exhausted with fighting.

 

[Djamila]

A few quotes from the press in Sarajevo:

Bosniak member of the BiH tripartite Presidency Haris Silajdzic said, he was unsatisfied that Serbia and Montenegro escaped responsibility for, and complicity in, genocide during the 1992-95 Bosnia war. "It turns out there was genocide in Bosnia but it is not known who committed it," Silajdzic commented sarcastically.

However, he claimed "this is the first time a state has been accused of breaching the 1948 Genocide Convention by failing to prevent and punish the perpetrators. Serbia thus has to assume its political, moral and material accountability for the act."
But he added that the ruling was inconclusive.

"Bosnia-Herzegovina thus needs to annul the results of the genocide that permeate all stratums of Bosnian society. We will achieve that by altering what has been founded on the genocide's outcome - interior structure of Bosnia and its Constitution," Silajdzic concluded.

 

[Yugo]

For me, the saddest part of this war was the loss of that coexsistence.. worse then all the historic and religious buildings that were destroyed.

Anyways,

If you care at all to know how the Serbian Diaspora reacted to this whole case, it was a mix of Shock that those Muslims could even muster together such a proposterous idea of genocide being commited apon them... and Serbs being responsible for it? - it was just to hard for most to take in. And others, just couldn't get enough of the phrase, " not guilty".

 

[Yugo]

Some pictures of Bosniak protesters in Sarajevo: