Iran executes woman for self defense

[oldbadger]

Yeah. Unfortunately we have a very hard time wrapping our minds around the idea of "not sinking to their level," refusing to acknowledge the price tag of a state execution is more than life imprisonment, and extended the "sanctity of life" beyond the womb. We also don't like to acknowledge people sometimes end up in the wrong place at the wrong time, make mistakes, and can be victims of circumstance. We also tend to have bitter opposition towards the state, with many of this same group giving the state full support to kill.

...... yes.
A recent case positively oozed 'beyond-reason-of-the-mind', a crime which in France would have been labelled 'crime of passion'.
And then the long long legal road to the death chamber, having changed nearly all bodily cells and with totally changed personality....... an almost total stranger to the original crime is sent to be restrained and eventually killed.
............

 

[oldbadger]

well...actually we Christians believe in the New Testament.
Jesus said: "whatever you did to the least of these brothers and sisters, you did to me".
so...killing a human being, even if it deals with a serial killer, it means to kill Jesus.

...... we could send you on a mission around various American States...... :yes:

 

[Flankerl]

The problem with this case is that one immediately thinks that she must be innocent. But is it so easy?

The prosecutor said she wasn't raped and that she planned to kill him.
These cases happen in "the west" so there is reason to believe that they happen everywhere.


I don't know what happened.

 

[Maldini]

Sad thing is the there is no jury in Iran judiciary system. There is no trial, and no high tech crime solving techniques.

So simply the trial is like this : The poor girl claims there's been a rape and she acted on self defense, and the judge decides that she's lying, and just like that she is sentenced to death.

 

[Maldini]

It is not evil. The headline is. The American media is.

Because they claim that it was a "self defense". Whereas it was a planned murder.

You can learn about it here:

Iran Executes Woman Who Killed In Self-Defence - General Politics and Current Issues - ShiaChat.com

Really?

Wow! Saudis want to execute Ayatollah Nimr because he is a shia. But they would comment on a murderer in Iran and claim that she was killed because she supposedly was a sunni? No, she was not sunni.

And, nope, in Iran, unlike in Saudi, minorities are not persecuted. But the media is so sick to portray things different. When, let's say, Islamic Iran fights against drug-traffickers in borders, and punishes terrorists of Jaish al-Adl, the headlines go like: "Iran persecutes sunnis". When, Iran fight against smuggling and illegal-transpassing in Turkey burder, the headlines go like: "Iran fights against Turks". No, Iran does not. But, Islamophobics/Iranophobics do try to portray things different.



I thought death penalty is there in the Bible.

As for apostates and gays, the male ones are not executed unless they make it public and spread propaganda and take physical actions against the state. The female ones are never executed in shia Islam. Thus, it is something about taking physical action against and causing harm and treason to the state. However, there are so-called "Islamic States" which do not apply these rules. But that is a different issue.

What a smelly load of produced Bullcrap.

Just because she's had sex with other guys she deserves to be raped. third world mentality at its highest order.

In Iran they execute atheists and Baha'i so you protesting Saudi Arabia is pot calling the kettle black.

When there's even 1% of reasonable doubt, you can't execute the poor person, and you can't also make someone wait 8 years for their verdict. It's torture.

The bolded part is 100% blatant lie. Minorities are executed easily in Iran. It's in the Iran's constitution , anyone can read it for themselves.

In Iran everyone knows the biggest drug smugglers are revolutionary guard themsleves. It's easier in iran to et acess to drugs than to Internet.

When a country has the name of a religion in their official title, you pretty easily can be sure it's most exposed to lack of freedom.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sad thing is the there is no jury in Iran judiciary system. There is no trial, and no high tech crime solving techniques.

Do we know this?
But even so, I've seen the US system up close, & it suffers from caprice, corruption,
incompetence, cruelty, & slow death by bureaucracy. People here are prosecuted
for self defense too, & the only reason they're not (usually) put to death is because
the process is either prohibited in the particular state, or it just costs too much in
money & time. It's good to criticize what we see as injustice, but not to do so from
a high horse.

 

[Matemkar]

There is judiciary system in Islamic Iran. And the five judges decided the "poor girl" (murderer) was lying (i.e. the so-called rape attempt) for many valid reasons which you can study on the website of the Public and Revolutionary Court of Iran in the below link. Here's the summary of the abovementioned case and why her claims that she was raped was wrong:

http://www.dadsara.ir/Default.aspx?tabid=4058&articleType=ArticleView&articleId=89970

If you don't speak Farsi, please refer to my previous post in this thread which mentiones some of the points.

 

[columbus]

Are you even for real or just a very patient troll?

This is an unfortunate opinion. I learned a great deal from Muslims like Matemkar back when all I had to go on was USA media. They showed me things I would never have known and accurately predicted the outcome of the Iraq invasion. I am grateful to them, even if I don't agree with them about everything.

Tom

 

[MD]

Name three.

I easily could name people who stated that attacking Iran is an attack on Islam, so called feminists and liberals, but I'm not sure if the rules allow it.

 

[Maldini]

Unlike all of you, I'm Iranian and live in Iran too (admins can easily confirm this)

5 judges appointed by Islamic fundamentalists is not a jury. Jury is regular people unrelated to the case.

I would like to see if there's ever been a self-defense case for women which didn't end with a guilty verdict for the woman.

 

[MD]

Unlike all of you, I'm Iranian and live in Iran too (admins can easily confirm this)

5 judges appointed by Islamic fundamentalists is not a jury. Jury is regular people unrelated to the case.

I would like to see if there's ever been a self-defense case for women which didn't end with a guilty verdict for the woman.

Careful you may be labelled as an 'Islamophobe' and 'bigoted' with your statements by the liberals here.

 

[oldbadger]

Sad thing is the there is no jury in Iran judiciary system.

Hi...
A lot of Western lawyers think that trial-without-jury is a decided advance......
I like juries, but we know how crazy some of their decisions can be, which is why Judges can order juries to find one-way-or-t'other, or simply to release the jury and decide alone. (UK)

There is no trial,

....yes, there is a trial.

and no high tech crime solving techniques.

..... what makes you think that there are no advanced scene-of-crime and expert technicians in Iran?

So simply the trial is like this : The poor girl claims there's been a rape and she acted on self defense, and the judge decides that she's lying, and just like that she is sentenced to death.

She claimed attempted sexual-abuse. She claimed self-defence but the stab wound was in the middle of the victim's back.
You do not tell us which is your country. Neither have you confirmed that you ever lived in Iran, or have had intimate knowledge of Iranian legal process and Court systems.

 

[oldbadger]

There is judiciary system in Islamic Iran. And the five judges decided the "poor girl" (murderer) was lying (i.e. the so-called rape attempt) for many valid reasons which you can study on the website of the Public and Revolutionary Court of Iran in the below link. Here's the summary of the abovementioned case and why her claims that she was raped was wrong:

http://www.dadsara.ir/Default.aspx?tabid=4058&articleType=ArticleView&articleId=89970

If you don't speak Farsi, please refer to my previous post in this thread which mentiones some of the points.

I expect that one of the free translation facilities onn google could translate all.
Sadly, the convict does seem to have been convicted fairly.

 

[oldbadger]

You do not tell us which is your country. Neither have you confirmed that you ever lived in Iran, or have had intimate knowledge of Iranian legal process and Court systems.

.....sorted....

Maldini:-.....
Unlike all of you, I'm Iranian and live in Iran too (admins can easily confirm this)

5 judges appointed by Islamic fundamentalists is not a jury. Jury is regular people unrelated to the case.

..... but sadly, the evidence seems clear...... yes?

 

[Maldini]

I don't know what's your source of information. these are facts:

- She called for an ambulance after escaping the house

- There has been date rape drugs in the drink she was offered by the victim

- UN montor of human rights called this a mistrial and the defendant the true victim of this incident

Anyway even if she was guilty, the big issue is when it comes to women, You can't trust Iran's regime.

 

[Maldini]

خبرگزاری بین المللی تسنیم - مشاور قاضی و دادیار بالاترین مأموریت یک زن در دادگاه و دادسرا

Google translate this. It's Iran regime approved news website inside Iran. It's not a comedy piece.

They don't allow women to be judges because shia clergy claims women are emotional and can't deal with reason and logic, plus it's a sin for men to hear the judge's voice if it's a women that is not a part of their family.

A judiciary system this backwards and this discriminative against women will never be trusted by me.

 

[Matemkar]

Anyway even if she was guilty, the big issue is when it comes to women, You can't trust Iran's regime.

Seems you already made your decision no matter what the truth is.

it's a sin for men to hear the judge's voice if it's a women that is not a part of their family.

You really love to spread lies, don't you?

 

[MD]

You really love to spread lies, don't you?

The same can be said of you, propaganda mouth piece

 

[Matemkar]

What lie did I spread, shahz? Tell me.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

BBC News - Iran's hanging of Reyhaneh Jabbari condemned

I suppose this should shut up all those liberals who defend the Iranian regime

I had read about this not long ago.

I'm beyond heartbroken, sickened, and enraged.