Iran Nuclear Agreement

[columbus]

And we’re dealing with a country — Iran — that has been a sworn adversary of the United States for over 35 years.

This is the sort of disingenuous statement that gives me little hope for the deal in the long term.

Iran has been under assault by the USA for over 60 years. We've toppled their government, propped up dictatorship, fought bloody proxy wars, put them on "The Axis of Evil" list, and slapped on sanctions when they decided to defend themselves the way Pakistan and Israel decided to.

I see no reason to believe that they have any intention of keeping the deal. I fully expect them to announce that they have a nuke when it is most advantageous to them. Just like North Korea did.
Tom

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Let's say you live in a small country, let's say Brazil, for instance.

Good grief. See, for example, here.

Now, could we get back to the topic at hand - preferably with some informed and coherent opinions?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

We've discussed this many times before, but I do not share "warmongering" charges against Netanyahu. Matter of fact, at the end of the Gaza conflict last year, many Israelis were very upset with him that he didn't go further to try and neutralize Hamas, and polls had it that his popularity dropped significantly because of that. But let's not beat this dead horse again, OK?

So israelis are more extreme and bloodthirsty?

 

[Jake1001]

And we’re dealing with a country — Iran — that has been a sworn adversary of the United States for over 35 years.

This is the sort of disingenuous statement that gives me little hope for the deal in the long term.

Iran has been under assault by the USA for over 60 years. We've toppled their government, propped up dictatorship, fought bloody proxy wars, put them on "The Axis of Evil" list, and slapped on sanctions when they decided to defend themselves the way Pakistan and Israel decided to.

I see no reason to believe that they have any intention of keeping the deal. I fully expect them to announce that they have a nuke when it is most advantageous to them. Just like North Korea did.
Tom

Good points. We know that Iran will not follow the agreement. It looks like it will be up to Hillary Clinton to make them conform.

 

[LuisDantas]

It seems to me that questions like this do little to advance the discussion.

Really?

I happen to think that it is in fact the central question, or at least very close to it.

 

[LuisDantas]

Not an unreasonable question. It will take some develpment for me to give a response, so please bare with me.

Uh, I am not actually into that sort of thing, sorry.

Let's say you live in a small country, let's say Brazil, for instance.

Brazil has many problems, but being small is not one of them. But let's leave that be. Go on...

Let's say a large neighbor, like the US, has nuclear weapons, and what if this country became unstable. Irrational leadership, etc. If you were in the small country, would you not try to do everything in your power, to prevent the large country from having nukes ? More....

Of course.

That is my point. Opposing the deal is nonsense.

 

[Jake1001]

Of course.That is my point. Opposing the deal is nonsense.

As I said at the onset, it is a done deal, there is no opposition. That being said, I am in favor of the agreement. I think that Israel's strong opposition will make them stronger in the US. It will allow them to get stronger financial packages from the US Congress and unprecedented military support from the US. It is a win-win for all in the Middle East. Congrats to Obama and Kerry for this victory. And don't forget, Hillary got us started on this when she was Sec. of State.

 

[LuisDantas]

As I said at the onset, it is a done deal, there is no opposition. That being said, I am in favor of the agreement. I think that Israel's strong opposition will make them stronger in the US.

Let's hope not. That would boggle the mind, for starters.

It will allow them to get stronger financial packages from the US Congress and unprecedented military support from the US. It is a win-win for all in the Middle East. Congrats to Obama and Kerry for this victory. And don't forget, Hillary got us started on this when she was Sec. of State.

Uh, that is certainly odd for you to say.

 

[Jake1001]

Iran nuke deal should be this: Since we and zionists have nukes, Iran must also have one!

I am not sure whether you are serious or not. But let me say that because Iran is a dangerous country with fanatical leadership, that we cannot condone them having nukes. That is what this agreement is about. It is a fine agreement because it increases the time for Iran to nukes. Now we have to enforce it. Agreed ?

 

[YmirGF]

Congrats to Obama and Kerry for this victory. And don't forget, Hillary got us started on this when she was Sec. of State.

Indeed, at least we will know where to place the blame when this all unravels -- and it will...

Uh, that is certainly odd for you to say.

"Odd" doesn't really capture it well enough, Luis. Downright weird, perhaps.

 

[Revoltingest]

Good points. We know that Iran will not follow the agreement. It looks like it will be up to Hillary Clinton to make them conform.

I trust Iran more than Hillary.

Once again, we must consider that they've good reason to be a "sworn adversary" for many decades.
After all, we started it with the the 1953 coup.
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We say we're pro-democracy, but only if it suits us.
When it doesn't, we topple the regime.

And then we supplied Iraq with chemical & biological WMDs to use in their attack on Iran.
Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran | Foreign Policy
United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Interesting that so many say Iraq never had WMDs. He had them. The only question: how many, when, where.)

Now, what does this have to do with trust issues?

Hillary has problems......
- She opposes gay marriage until the political winds change.
- She's secretive.
- She goes to great lengths to cover her tracks.
- When she speaks she says little.
Thus, she's relatively unpredictable.

Iran, despite all its problems,.....
- Needs to avoid re-imposition of sanctions. $100B is waiting for them in foreign banks until nuclear verification is under way.
- Has never had reason to trust us before, given our recurring attacks upon them....tens of thousands being killed in the Iran Iraq war alone.
- If we change our behavior, this will be something new to offer.
- It hasn't initiated any full scale attacks on its neighbors since days of yore.
We can trust Iran to do what's in its best interest.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I am not sure whether you are serious or not. But let me say that because Iran is a dangerous country with fanatical leadership, that we cannot condone them having nukes. That is what this agreement is about. It is a fine agreement because it increases the time for Iran to nukes. Now we have to enforce it. Agreed ?

In my opinion Zionists(+North Korea) are more vile and dangerous. Yet they have nukes.

 

[Godobeyer]

Even deal lead to peace is bad for Israel (Netanyaho)!!!, seems Israel want from USA to stricke Iran .

USA rejected to make war for Israel ,that's weird, is not !!!?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Coward zionists cant attack iran

 

[Wirey]

Coward zionists cant attack iran

The 'coward Zionists' have kicked the behind of every Arab nation that ever looked at them sideways. Perhaps the Iranians have finally figured out that they're not as tough as the Israelis and peaceful co-existence will have to happen.

 

[Revoltingest]

The 'coward Zionists' have kicked the behind of every Arab nation that ever looked at them sideways. Perhaps the Iranians have finally figured out that they're not as tough as the Israelis and peaceful co-existence will have to happen.

Iranians aren't Arabs though.
But I'm sure they know they're not as tough as Israel backed by Americastan.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The 'coward Zionists' have kicked the behind of every Arab nation that ever looked at them sideways.

(Somebody apparently slept through the 2006 Lebanon War.)

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The 'coward Zionists' have kicked the behind of every Arab nation that ever looked at them sideways.

Iranians aren't Arabs though.

The point has been made repeatedly ...

... to no effect.​

 

[Revoltingest]

The point has been made repeatedly ...

... to no effect.​

I presumed he knows that.
My point was that Iran would see themselves as more capable than those who fought Israel so far.

 

[Wirey]

I presumed he knows that.
My point was that Iran would see themselves as more capable than those who fought Israel so far.

Semantics! Plus, the Iranians couldn't handle Iraq, but Israel could.