Iran sentences LGBTQ woman to death for spreading corruption on earth.

[stvdv]

I agree. Islamic regimes don't.

The Qur'an tells Muslims multiple times to kill. If you referring to the often misquoted 5:32, please go back and read post #38.

I don't follow Koran

Common Sense trumps Divine Sense

More than obvious in this case

Hence my claim
"Koran is at fault here"

 

[firedragon]

Did you miss the 'د', after the seen-alif

Mate. No one will miss the Dhal. Dont make some bogus nonsense. Silly really. It's like asking "did you miss the D in the word Dog".

You turned seen alif into a ye mate.

THIS GUY IS THE MOST IGNORANT HUMAN BEING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE PRETENDING TO BE A SCHOLAR.

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[firedragon]

we

I don't follow Koran

Common Sense trumps Divine Sense

More than obvious in this case

Hence my claim
"Koran is at fault here"

Since you are also ignorant of the Qur'an, you are agreeing and supporting probably the most ignorant pseudo scholar I have ever met in my entire life.

I can't believe there are human beings like this in this world. Living their lives only to demonise a whole set of human beings.. That's the aim in life. Nothing else goes into their heads. While doing that, they pretend to be experts in something their knowledge is 'zero'.

 

[firedragon]

I see the principal purpose of the OP as critiquing the Iranian regime's passing of the death sentence

No. The OP's aim is to generalise it to the Qur'am with a bogus statement about a phrase used famously in the Qur'an referring to murderers and trying to turn that into "LGBT".

That's intentionally done, as it has been done many many many times in this forum by the same pseudo scholar.

on the grounds of spreading corruption on earth

you seem to be attacking the OP's basis for doing this

The trick to play is this.

1. take Iran and what they have done supposedly as reported by Reuters.
2. generalise it to the Qur'an
3. thus attempt to demonise Islam as a whole

The problem is most people are ignorant of the statement Corruption in the land, and what it means in the Qur'an, never studied it, so they believe the guy who speaks their personal language of spreading hatred towards Islam and muslims by making things up.

This is happening all the time. Check history.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's true. It's just another example of why we don't want Islamic rule in the modern world.

The only whacko Muslims who'd want to try are the ones who are busy killing eachother. But far many more are peaceful and reasonable Muslims who we are already living peacefully with eachother.

 

[rational experiences]

Any human nation was land caused ground fall above separated in their living position on one earth....in genesis DNA. Stated exact.

Witnessed gods attack on life as science teaching.

It's animal life ground sacrificed changed as was human life.

Biologists studied it today as genetic change. Said yes it occurred. New same species varied genetics emerged. But had an origin species first.

So the new tribal men wrote recorded the advice gods attack on life as records. Taught as satanic nuclear science fallout. Man invented.

Religious documentation. About man's evil science causes documented then taught. Relativity of causes by prophet man and his man predicted maths.

Humans had to be mind body healed. Brain entrained as our mind became depraved. Very bad social human behaviours emerged.

So the cleric teacher was actually the Healer. Loved family mutuality would help assist anyone as their human family oath. In any world community. Human rights. Loving the important leader healer.

Not just a reader of stories.

We are all human first family.

So now your DNA was made forced to be separate. Your consciousness brain changed then it spoke new languages. Tongue changed. We found it hard to Understand in trade as family anymore.

I know by brain prickling my tongue burnt so did my skin feel scorched.

As parent human DNA Tribally was once all the same human everywhere.

We were actually really brother sister like twins but sex gave a variable baby.

So your tribe isn't the one anymore. Nor is anyone else any one United family.

We began to argue.

We can't reunite as our human genetics won't allow it. Nation owned genetics land owned exact to tribe nation.

Yet science the exact same United reason cause effect everywhere on earth.

It was the saddest moment in humans history. Parents life Sacrificed in genetics.

Our actual truth.

Religious text is a basic science review owning some data but mainly human witnessed explanations. Seeing angel cloud burn fall that hit mountains that caused facure disintegrated into dusts at feet mountain. In mind visions as brain prickled burnt. When recorded heavens voice image was heard.

Known brain changed.

I know I had visionary experiences. I love all my world family. I've met very loving Muslim humanity. They were very gentle people.

Why governing as one world community advisors only became a new group historic. Which is who the Baha'i were advisors

Sadly science is involved as the old stories to support new world family agreements is all that it's about.

Is being ignored. Legal rights for all family equally mutually as we all were DNA sacrificed. World trade reunited for humanity.

So Jewish humans tried to invoke yes the story real as the story families slavery history. Always paid the human price. Versus rich man's historic group overthrow caused behaviours....in first star fall changed brain mind causes. To technology causing fallout above.

In the ground reactions dust began above reacting in star dusts and fell. It said.

So we had to teach all life is innocent in the laws of earth one God as the star came from space hell. No control over why.

Satan's attack became man's first heavenly brain mind possession as transmitters cooled gave design advice.

Men said God taught me science. Conscious terms above via life's mind sacrifice.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Fair enough. It's just that on a debate site, it's usual to express views.

Yes, views are not a problem, it is the way it is put forward that can become a problem. Only seeing a topic from a negative P.O.W is maybe not a good way to debate. Often a topic has many ways to be viewd.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The fact that I'm an atheist has nothing to do with whether or not I can understand words. When the Qur'an says things like, "Fight those who believe not in Allah ...... (9:29)", I can figure out that that's not a good thing.

To me those words do not mean to fight with weapons or fists. It means keep telling the truth they believe in no matter what others say. Fighting does not have to be by weapon.

 

[stvdv]

Since you are also ignorant of the Qur'an,

Your belittling tells a lot about you

 

[stvdv]

I don't follow Koran

Common Sense trumps Divine Sense

More than obvious in this case

Hence my claim
"Koran is at fault here"

Since you are also ignorant of the Qur'an, you are agreeing and supporting probably the most ignorant pseudo scholar I have ever met in my entire life.

My claim:
"Iran" killing LGBTQ woman, as mentioned in OP, in name of Koran, is clearly at fault

There are plenty of Islam scholars in Iran, who clearly decide that killing LGBTQ woman is fine, according to Koran

HENCE

1+1=2

Koran is at fault for inciting (causing) these Muslims to act so incredibly Adharmic (killing humans because they believe or feel differently). Allah is perfect, so there must be an error in the Koran.

If you have a problem with me telling that,
fine
If you need to belittle me for saying that,
fine

BUT

I won't stop saying:
"This Killing in name of Koran is Wrong"

UNTIL

These Barbarians stop behaving barbaric

 

[rational experiences]

To me those words do not mean to fight with weapons or fists. It means keep telling the truth they believe in no matter what others say. Fighting does not have to be by weapon.

All AH breaths the Living.

Fight argue those who do not sanction holy life bio oxygens regeneration. Waters held mass to gain oxygen input.

Holy ox Christ symbol.

By keeping water biology holy safe with us. Spirit of life is with us on ground mass. We walk on it as relativity the water sealed stone mass.

Unseal stone mass nuclear light changes falls above. Then evaporation mass as ground water mass lifts up then takes away biologies protection.

Brother to Brother argued scientific one theism. Natural man versus scientist.

 

[Spirit of Light]

All AH breaths the Living.

Fight argue those who do not sanction holy life bio oxygens regeneration. Waters held mass to gain oxygen input.

Holy ox Christ symbol.

By keeping water biology holy safe with us. Spirit of life is with us on ground mass. We walk on it as relativity the water sealed stone mass.

Unseal stone mass nuclear light changes falls above. Then evaporation mass as ground water mass lifts up then takes away biologies protection.

Brother to Brother argued scientific one theism. Natural man versus scientist.

@rational experiences I am trying to understand what you say in your reply. But honestly i do not understand it at all.

 

[rational experiences]

@rational experiences I am trying to understand what you say in your reply. But honestly i do not understand it at all.

Brother to Brother.

Natural human speaking about unnatural human science theist man.

An argument about scientific legal rights in earths gods natural laws.

Life living first oxygenated by living in water mass. Breathing life. Humans in nature garden origin legal human rights status. Breathing bodies. The living.

Science sacrificed the living by changing the dead it said. Cold non alight entombed stone God mass. Brought it alive as gas light burning.

All living breathing.

Science didn't thesis about breathing objects or mass did it!!

 

[firedragon]

Your belittling tells a lot about you

See. You are agreeing with someone based on your preconceived notions. Not any kind of analysis. YOU are belittling a billion people or more and their faith based on some one elses "word".

My claim:
"Iran" killing LGBTQ woman, as mentioned in OP, in name of Koran, is clearly at fault

How do you prove these two things?

1. That Reuters is like Gods words saying Iran's justifications were based on the Qur'an and its statement "Corruption in the land"? Don;'t just say "because he said so" but make your analytical case.

2. What is your analysis of this "corruption in the land" thing and what is your analysis?

Thats a start.

 

[firedragon]

My claim:
"Iran" killing LGBTQ woman, as mentioned in OP, in name of Koran, is clearly at fault

There are plenty of Islam scholars in Iran, who clearly decide that killing LGBTQ woman is fine, according to Koran

HENCE

1+1=2

Koran is at fault for inciting (causing) these Muslims to act so incredibly Adharmic (killing humans because they believe or feel differently). Allah is perfect, so there must be an error in the Koran.

If you have a problem with me telling that,
fine
If you need to belittle me for saying that,
fine

BUT

I won't stop saying:
"This Killing in name of Koran is Wrong"

UNTIL

These Barbarians stop behaving barbaric

Is it like Sati and other kinds of honour killings and you know things like murder of non adherents in modern times by those who are just like you calling themselves Sanathana Dharma?

Is it the same? And people like you calll yourself Sanathana Dharma agreeing with unscholarly anything that suits your hatred spreading which is actually conflicting with your own name "sanathana Dharma", but you are one of the murderers of innocents. Maybe no one should even discuss your so called sanathana dharma until your people stop your lynching, and people like you spreading hatred and bogus scholarship, while grouping like children who support your hatred.

Correct? Everyone should decide this is Sanathana Dharma until you people stop this. Correct?

 

[KWED]

IF "disobeying Allah's Law" means the "death-penalty"
THEN all Muslims would be dead by now
Including this Ibn Kathir
Scholar or not

I have never claimed that Islam is a sphere and practical social-legal system.
Nor have I claimed that all Muslims practice Islam to the letter of what is in the Quran and Sunnah.
However, when a group tried to do that recently, the whole world was appalled, including most Muslims.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Absolutely stunning. I'll bet you also dislike all the "hate" that's been directed at that nice Mr. Hitler.

Perhaps if he’d received a bit more love when he was young, Hitler wouldn’t have grown to be so full of hate. But he’s dead and gone; you are still alive, and it’s not too late for you to open your heart, and replace all that fear and hate with love and forgiveness.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I've never said a word about Bahai's. You lie.

My hatred is directed at the religion of Islam - not individual Muslims per se. Again, you lie.

But your hatred can only cause harm, to you and to others. Hate never heals anything, it never helps, never creates; it can only ever bring hurt.

 

[firedragon]

In short:
I think that @stevecanuck major point is
"killing someone because he feels differently (sexual orientation) is WRONG"

Nope. Thats not the main point. What you "thin k" is wrong.

If this is the main point, then please together with him you are currently trying to support no matter what materialises, show evidence ""killing someone because he feels differently (sexual orientation) is WRONG" based on evidence. Why is it wrong, how, on what basis, whats your epistemology, etc etc.

And we can discuss that. Then we get to the next part.

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

@stvdv

I would like to request you to urge your idol in this thread to just make a very basic response to this question since he claims to know it. Asked because you defend him vehemently.

can you tell me the difference between ismun mansooban and a jar? and how an alif can become a ye?

The question is asked from @stevecanuck and he will never answer it because that's not the plan, but since you are the supporter, maybe you could get an answer from the scholar of the OP.

thanks in advance.