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Iran to whip dog owners

gsa

gsa

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My understanding is that this is a disputed topic, but I'm not sure how Shia approach this. This seems likely to be as much an anti-Western initiative as it is an Islamic one (I've not heard of lashing for ownership of dogs in the past but I could be wrong).
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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I can kinda understand the prohibitions to pigs and pork, although I think Jews and Muslims go overboard with it and it's outdated. However, I do not understand the negative attitude that some Muslims have towards dogs.
 
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gsa

gsa

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Lvcifer Invictvs said:
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I can kinda understand the prohibitions to pigs and pork, although I think Jews and Muslims go overboard with it and it's outdated. However, I do not understand the negative attitude that some Muslims have towards dogs.
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In practice they can be much more receptive. While most of the devout Muslims I know take pains not to be around them, I know others who love them. Just depends.
 
RAYYAN

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
shahz said:
Yea and Iran isn't an 'Islamic' country...-_-
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That is a broken logic
for something to be part of Islam, there must be an evidence in the Quran for it. when the Imam at Iran wakes up one day and decide to do some crazy Sh** doesn't make it Islamic even if the country is so called "Muslim Country"
 
MD

MD

qualiaphile
RAYYAN said:
That is a broken logic
for something to be part of Islam, there must be an evidence in the Quran for it. when the Imam at Iran wakes up one day and decide to do some crazy Sh** doesn't make it Islamic even if the country is so called "Muslim Country"
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Typical Islamic denialism of the brutality of whipping dog owners. Dogs are one of the most beautiful creatures, I feel sorry for you Muslims who can never own or love one. A cat has nothing on the love and loyalty of a dog.
 
MD

MD

qualiaphile
RAYYAN said:
I feel sorry for you baby, your hate and ignorance about Islam is making you blind. Show me where Islam says don't love Dog or shot the hell up and go have a lolly pop idiot
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I'm not the one who supports the whipping of dog owners.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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What is Iran's policy on dogs? Why would they lash owners for walking dogs and not just ban dogs outright? Are they allowed to keep dogs as long as it's only on their own property? Are dogs commonly seen in Iran? In other Muslim countries?
 
MD

MD

qualiaphile
George-ananda said:
What is Iran's policy on dogs? Why would they lash owners for walking dogs and not just ban dogs outright? Are they allowed to keep dogs as long as it's only on their own property? Are dogs commonly seen in Iran? In other Muslim countries?
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Dogs were a huge part of Iranian culture as they were seen as favorable creatures until about a 1000 years ago. The Islamic influence destroyed that since in Islam dogs are seen as unclean and dirty, that their saliva and barks drive away angels.

But humans have evolved with dogs as companions and we have helped each other. There are even theories that we bond with dogs because of natural selection, those prehistoric humans who bonded with dogs and vice versa lived longer. You can't erase evolution with a book of myths.

In a Sharia country they whip you for this. Western pro Islamist liberals will say that this is 'politics' or that it's there stem 'westernization' but in reality it's Sharia at play.
 
Matemkar

Matemkar

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"The news" is not from an Iranian source, thus not to be taken seriously.

As for the dogs in Islam, some of sunni and shia madhabs (jurisprudential sects) agree that they are considered impure. However, you are allowed to have them especially for reasons such as protection, hunting, etc. Taking them inside the houses in which humans live is impermissible. And even secular countries have this rule in apartments. And it is for reasons such as cleanness, noise, etc.

Personally I am against people having dogs in a neighbourhood, mainly because of noise. And I do not want people walking dogs in public either. My nieces are afraid of dogs, and I do not want them afraid when we have a walk.

There are other reasons people shouldn't have dogs. And I mainly think of the cost of having, feeding and taking care of one. When people could use that money for many other good reasons like sheltering an orphan or etc.

In any case, people can have dogs if they want. If they want dogs, they can have it. However, when it disturbs the people around, there has to be restrictions, like not having one in a neighbourhood or not walking them on the streets.

RAYYAN said:
Well, it is not Islam Law, it is Iran's law.
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Maybe you did not read the fact that even this Islamophobic-Iranophobic "source" does not claim that it is a law in Islamic Iran. It is not a law in Islamic Iran. The article says it is proposed and probably will not be accepted.
 
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MD

MD

qualiaphile
Matemkar said:
"The news" is not from an Iranian source, thus not to be taken seriously.

As for the dogs in Islam, some of sunni and shia madhabs (jurisprudential sects) agree that they are considered impure. However, you are allowed to have them aspecially for reasons such as protection, hunting, etc. Taking them inside the houses in which humans live is impermissible. And even secular countries have this rule in apartments. And it is for reasons such as cleanness, noise, etc.



Maybe you did not read that it is not a law in Islamic Iran. It is proposed and probably will not be accepted.
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What is the Islamic punishment for keeping/hugging/playing with dogs without cleaning yourself? What will happen if dogs are kept indoors/walked in a true Sharia country?
 
Matemkar

Matemkar

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Islamic Iran is a Sharia country. And since most of the Iranian citizens are Jafari Shia Muslims, the regional laws are accordingly (i.e. as per twelver jafari-shia Islam).

And there is no punishment on having dogs in shia Islam. And it is suggested that people have them (but not inside the house) for reasons such as protection, hunting and etc.

And in the jurisprudence of shia Islam, keeping-hugging-petting the dogs does not make someone najis (i.e. ritually impure) unless one or both sides have enough moisture when it happens: See: Can you please list the different rulings regarding dogs and cats? - Questions Archive - IslamQuest

Lastly, the rules (of cleansing) apply for those who believe in purity-impurity of something. If you believe touching a dog with wetness makes you najis (ritually impure) and that you need to be paak (ritually pure) for things such as touching the Quran or praying, then it means it is a sin for you to not cleanse yourself after touching the dogs with wetness. But the Islamic sharia state does not go around and check if you apply such rules or not. Not to mention that there are jurisprudential sects, such as Maliki, which believe the dogs are not impure. And you can't expect every jurisprudential sect follow your own one.

In summary, most of the Islamic jurisprudential sects believe that the dogs are ritually impure and should not be had inside the houses. And it makes you ritually impure also if you touch the dogs with wetness (moisture in one or both sides which can transfer the najasah), and you would need to cleanse yourself. However, there is no punishment in law if you don't. The laws apply to you, when you take the rights of the people around you (such as the rights of peace/quietness/safety), etc. I mean, if your dog disturbs the peace and safety of the people around, there has to be restrictions.
 
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Unbelievable :(

Well, not Iran nor any other country define or stand for Islam. Same thing with all religions and peoples.

If the gov. wants to have such a law, I guess who wants to live their have to follow it then. It is not like they are just picking people randomly and lash them for nothing. But at least educate the people about it and make them fully aware of it.

Even here in Saudi Arabia they don't do such a thing! Expected from Saudis I know, just like any other countries have their own weird incidents, but never so far. My uncle owned a dog until it died naturally!
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I wonder whether the 'whipping' threat is for dog owners who let their animals defecate in public places. It does look as if any animals found in public will be put-down.

In England dogs are banned in many public parks, and on many beaches. Dog walkers are responsible to pick up all their dog's defecations. One breed (pit-bull) is seized and put-down by police.
Only Guide, Hearing, Med assistance and Canine partner dogs are allowed in shops.
We are lucky here because our beech is deserted and therefore there are no rules which ban dogs. Our little dog lives for the beech, foreshore and tidal flats, so this is very important to us.
 
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