Iran to whip dog owners

[RAYYAN]

Not gonna lie...
I don't understand why dogs are considered dirty. Can someone point me to a verse in the Qur'an that says they are dirty?

Cats seem dirtier, they lick their butts.

It doesn't say they are dirty, and it is not in the Quran.
It is in the Hadith that if a person touched the saliva of a dog, He/she should clean the touched part 7 times one of them with sand or dirt

 

[beenie]

It doesn't say they are dirty, and it is not in the Quran.
It is in the Hadith that if a person touched the saliva of a dog, He/she should clean the touched part 7 times one of them with sand or dirt

But why would something be added into Hadith like this? If God wanted that, he would have put it in the Qur'an. That is my biggest problem with these Hadith; there is no Qur'anic basis for that. Therefore, it should be disregarded.

 

[dgirl1986]

Not gonna lie...
I don't understand why dogs are considered dirty. Can someone point me to a verse in the Qur'an that says they are dirty?

Cats seem dirtier, they lick their butts.

I love both but cats are cuddlier Although I wish my cat wouldnt pee on my bed right next to me where it gets on me.

 

[Revoltingest]

But why would something be added into Hadith like this? If God wanted that, he would have put it in the Qur'an. That is my biggest problem with these Hadith; there is no Qur'anic basis for that. Therefore, it should be disregarded.

This would make you a fundamentalist.
And it's a case where fundamentalism greatly improves the faith by shedding apocryphal & contradictory additions....in the opinion of this ignorant non-believer.

How'm I do'n with this line of thought?

 

[Flankerl]

@shahz
Always remember that there is karma.

 

[MD]

@shahz
Always remember that there is karma.

Serves him right...thanks for this

 

[MD]

But why would something be added into Hadith like this? If God wanted that, he would have put it in the Qur'an. That is my biggest problem with these Hadith; there is no Qur'anic basis for that. Therefore, it should be disregarded.

Because it's a book of myths, heavily influenced by pre Islamic arabian culture and customs.

 

[RAYYAN]

But why would something be added into Hadith like this? If God wanted that, he would have put it in the Qur'an. That is my biggest problem with these Hadith; there is no Qur'anic basis for that. Therefore, it should be disregarded.

not everything is mentioned in the Quran, for example it is mentioned that We have to pray in the Quran, but how to pray is shown in the Hadith. when it comes to Hadith, there are 3 main categories
1. Authentic
2. Good
3. Weak/fake

We take only the authentic Hadith to have a rule in Islam

 

[oldbadger]

It doesn't say they are dirty, and it is not in the Quran.
It is in the Hadith that if a person touched the saliva of a dog, He/she should clean the touched part 7 times one of them with sand or dirt

That makes sense.
The rabies virus is the most dangerous saliva-borne germ a cat or dog can bestow on a person.

 

[oldbadger]

Darling, could we buy a puppy for little Wendy to play with and grow up with?
Of course! Lovely idea! I've heard that pit-bull terriers are the most loving and friendly creatures possible.... shall we get one of those?
What a great idea!
Duh!

1. Fatal pit bull attacks sharply rise in 2013 - Causes
   https://www.causes.com/.../1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-...
   
   In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. This is well above the average of 60 percent from 2005 to 2012. As the pit bull ...

Time to wake up to the fact that pit-bulls were bred to kill......

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As for Iran, I think we need a lot more info about who gets whipped, for what, and when......

 

[beenie]

not everything is mentioned in the Quran, for example it is mentioned that We have to pray in the Quran, but how to pray is shown in the Hadith. when it comes to Hadith, there are 3 main categories
1. Authentic
2. Good
3. Weak/fake

We take only the authentic Hadith to have a rule in Islam

We could go round after round with this, but IMO if God wanted things done a certain way, he would say so in the main holy book. If the Qur'an is the literal word of God, why would He then leave details out, to be recorded and put into Hadith, HUNDREDS of years after the death of the prophet?

 

[Smart_Guy]

As for Iran, I think we need a lot more info about who gets whipped......

Please God, don't let it be the dog

 

[Mister Emu]

Now, what would you breed, keep, or rehabilitate a pit-bull for?
Nice family dog?

but he has real life contact with them. You almost certainly do not.

Of course! Lovely idea! I've heard that pit-bull terriers are the most loving and friendly creatures possible.... shall we get one of those?
What a great idea!

It actually would be; and you'd know that if you did anything but spout ignorant drivel.

Hurr durr, big dogs who are the overwhelming choice to breed and train to kill, attack and kill more people; this means the dog breed is bad... hurr durr, ban the breed that has 100's of years of history over a recent phenomenon... hurr durr I'm smart...

If people were this stupid in the past Rotties and Dobermans would be banned too.

Yes, I am upset. Cretins have tried to have my dogs killed merely for existing, my neighbor's lovely pitbull had battery acid thrown on its face just for being a pitbull. I had to go to city counsels and present the truth so that morons wouldn't listen to drivel like this and ban the breed.

 

[RAYYAN]

We could go round after round with this, but IMO if God wanted things done a certain way, he would say so in the main holy book. If the Qur'an is the literal word of God, why would He then leave details out, to be recorded and put into Hadith, HUNDREDS of years after the death of the prophet?

That's fine, We don't need to go those rounds, it totally makes sense to me having main points in the Quran and details somewhere else. This is only my opinion

 

[oldbadger]

It actually would be; and you'd know that if you did anything but spout ignorant drivel.

Hurr durr, big dogs who are the overwhelming choice to breed and train to kill, attack and kill more people; this means the dog breed is bad... hurr durr, ban the breed that has 100's of years of history over a recent phenomenon... hurr durr I'm smart...

If people were this stupid in the past Rotties and Dobermans would be banned too.

Yes, I am upset. Cretins have tried to have my dogs killed merely for existing, my neighbor's lovely pitbull had battery acid thrown on its face just for being a pitbull. I had to go to city counsels and present the truth so that morons wouldn't listen to drivel like this and ban the breed.

I found your post to be extremely interesting from a psychological point of view. Here are a few headlines snatched from the web in answer to your post......... alarmist/..... or simply true?
In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities.
32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) .
14 Feb 2013 - Police in Nassau County, N.Y., are searching door-to-door for two pit bulls that went on a bloody rampage, attacking a teenage boy and three ...
'But, My Pitbull Would Never Attack' May Be Wishful Thinking
3 Aug 2014 - Riley Fox was playing when pitbull cross clamped its jaws around his face
Family of baby girl savaged to death by illegal American pit bull at her grandmother's house say they are 'totally devastated' by loss of their 'little princess'
Family of baby girl who was mauled to death by banned ... Northamptonshire Police confirmed the dog was an American pit bull,

 

[oldbadger]

Please God, don't let it be the dog

Ha ha!
Just for info....... look at the fatalities list (US) for 2013.
Guess what? Pit-Bulls....
Question......... would you trust a Pit-Bull?
Fatalities reported in 2013
January 8 Pit bull Betty Ann Chapman Todd 65 years
January 19 Pit bull Christian Gormanous 4 years
February 8 Pit bull Elsie Grace 91 years Found dead with dog bites
February 16 Pit bull Isaiah Aguilar 2 years Killed in a neighbor's yard by a dog tied up in the yard.[532]
March 2 Pit bull Ryan Maxwell 7 years Killed by a dog that was kept chained in the back yard
March 6 Pit bull (2) Daxton Borchardt 14 Months When babysitter, baby in her arms, let her two 45 lb. dogs in the house
March 27 Pit bull & Pit bull-mix (7) Monica Renee Laminack 21 months Killed by dogs belonging to her mother's boyfriend
April 7 Pit bull Mix (2) or Bulldogs Tyler Jett 7 years Attacked while riding his bike
April 11 Pit bull - Mastiff mix [548] Claudia Gallardo 38 years A woman was killed after being attacked by a dog that has terrorized the neighborhood
April 22 American Staffordshire Terrier (Pit Bull)[551] Jordyn Arndt 4 years Four year old Jordyn Arndt, was mauled by a pit bull at her babysitter’s home.
April 24 American Staffordshire Terrier mix (Pit Bull mix) Beau Rutledge 2 years The boy was killed while the mother stepped away to use the restroom.
May 8 4 Pit bulls or Feral dogs (Mixed breed dogs with "possible 'pit bull' influence")[561][562] Carlton Freeman 80 years
May 9 Pack of four free-ranging dogs: Pit bulls[568] Pamela Marie Devitt 63 years The woman was walking near her home
June 17 Pit bull mix Nephi Selu 6 years The boy was attempting to ride the dog and died two hours later
June 25 Pit bull mix Arianna Jolee Merrbach 5 years Killed after walking up to a chained dog that belonged to her aunt
September 22 "Mixed breed pit bull Daniel "Doe" 2 years Daniel was mauled by 3 mix-pit bulls at his babysitter’s home.
September 23 "Mixed breed pit bull'' Samuel Eli Zamudio 2 years Killed by up to five dogs that belonged to his grandmother,
September 27 Pit bull Jordan Ryan 5 years The boy was unsupervised at a family friend's house and entered a backyard pen where the dog was kept.
November 1 Pit bull Terry Douglass 56 years Her dog, Boosie, which she originally acquired for protection[594] and had raised from a puppy.
November 4 Pit bulls Katherine Atkins 25 years Went out to the kennel behind their home in Kernersville, NC to feed the dogs as usual,
November 5 Pit bulls Nga Woodhead 65 years On her daily walk about a mile from her home in Spanaway, Washington.
November 8 Pit bull(s) Levi Watson 4 years Visiting a home in White County, Arkansas.
November 21 Pit bull/Bull Mastiff mix; Rat Terrier Joan Kappen 75 yrs Arkansas[
December 7 Pit bulls (2) Jah'Niyah White 2 years South Side, Chicago [601]
December 13 Pit bull Michal Nelson 41 years Her own dog. She had gone outside, where the dog was kept chained up in a pen,
December 21 Pit bulls (2) Betty Clark 74 New Braunfels, Texas: Elderly widow was walking alone when neighbors' dogs badly mauled her.

 

[columbus]

Darling, could we buy a puppy for little Wendy to play with and grow up with?
Of course! Lovely idea! I've heard that pit-bull terriers are the most loving and friendly creatures possible.... shall we get one of those?
What a great idea!
Duh!

1. Fatal pit bull attacks sharply rise in 2013 - Causes
   https://www.causes.com/.../1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-...
   
   In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. This is well above the average of 60 percent from 2005 to 2012. As the pit bull ...

Time to wake up to the fact that pit-bulls were bred to kill......

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As for Iran, I think we need a lot more info about who gets whipped, for what, and when......

What you aren't getting oldbadger is that the dogs aren't the problem. It is the owners.
Pits and Rotts are smart. They learn what they are taught. And they're powerful, so a bad owner can produce a dangerous problem. But there are several in my neighborhood and they are all great dogs. They are playful and affectionate. That's because their owners care for them and taught them well. My doxie is a bigger problem.

Last summer she was out on the porch off her leash. She attacked a Rottweiler in a neighbors yard! The other dog was just playing with his young master when Belle went after it. The Rott bit her hard, but it wasn't anybody's fault except for ours.

Tom

 

[oldbadger]

What you aren't getting oldbadger is that the dogs aren't the problem. It is the owners.
Pits and Rotts are smart. They learn what they are taught. And they're powerful, so a bad owner can produce a dangerous problem. But there are several in my neighborhood and they are all great dogs. They are playful and affectionate. That's because their owners care for them and taught them well.

Hi..... thanks for your post. I get it. Really..... honestly.
So...... like guns, cars, lions, airplanes, jet-fighters etc...pit-bulls are safe in the right hands, ownership, training etc. True?
What you folks do not get is that some animals are not characteristically consistent........ schizophrenic almost. If you could study the massively long list of attack/injury stats, constantly repeating the name 'pit-bull' you will notice that the owners almost always declare that they 'never saw it coming'.

But you're right about dog owners..... who often chain these types of dogs up in the back gardens/yards for security, or keep them for security protection. Such dogs are not pets, and in the UK we have had legislation to control Guard-Dog owners. We still get attack deaths and injuries, and usually the poor dogs are kept by morons and criminals. It does not help the reputation of pit-bull characteristics.

My doxie is a bigger problem.

Oh yes..... certainly. We watch (and read about) pros explaining how to train daxies. It's fun. We laugh out loud! But Smew is smaller than our male siamese cat, not so dangerous, either. We never let her off a lead until she is out on the foreshore and imprinted upon a stone............ I pick up and throw the right shape and colour of stone which she chases after and imprints upon. After that, if I hold the stone, she will follow me as if she was a properly trained dog. Tomorrow she will imprint upon a different stone!

Last summer she was out on the porch off her leash. She attacked a Rottweiler in a neighbors yard! The other dog was just playing with his young master when Belle went after it. The Rott bit her hard, but it wasn't anybody's fault except for ours.

Yep...... we know about Smew, like that.
Our home is tiny compared with most other English homes. Our back 'yard' is 30 feet by 35 feet and fenced in to 6' height. You probably couldn't do that as inexpensively as we can. But we have a 12' by 12' duck pond there and Smew is so crazy about swimming that she just plunges in with the ducks, which she hangs about with.

On thread........ I don't think that the news article about Iran explains exactly why dog-owners can get whipped. I'll bet that it is to do with letting their dogs crap in public parks, or something like that.

I love to watch working dogs. I knew two dogs (1970's) that worked as deck hands for a very very disabled tug boat skipper around the English East Coast. I've worked with Guard dogs and their owners.

But idiots who buy dogs as security or defence weapons and try to call them pets are ....... well...... daft.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Ha ha!
Just for info....... look at the fatalities list (US) for 2013.

I liked Liu Kang's fatality the most (sorry, a gamer's non sense)

I don't like this

If those pit bulls could have such fates, they might as well stop breading them and sell them as pits... erm, as pets!

Tho I know the owner is the responsible for their attitude, I'm afraid their dormant aggressive nature is a main cause that can be easily triggered.

Dunno man

What you aren't getting oldbadger is that the dogs aren't the problem. It is the owners.
Pits and Rotts are smart. They learn what they are taught. And they're powerful, so a bad owner can produce a dangerous problem. But there are several in my neighborhood and they are all great dogs. They are playful and affectionate. That's because their owners care for them and taught them well. My doxie is a bigger problem.

Last summer she was out on the porch off her leash. She attacked a Rottweiler in a neighbors yard! The other dog was just playing with his young master when Belle went after it. The Rott bit her hard, but it wasn't anybody's fault except for ours.

Tom

The problem is that there must be an escape goat, and it is always the dog, and it's its death.

Honestly, I believe stopping breading these pit bulls is the right human thing to do. Opinions may differ, but the facts are that these dogs are getting killed all year long, which is wrong. I'd consider facts instead of opinions. At least not as pets.

 

[oldbadger]

I liked Liu Kang's fatality the most (sorry, a gamer's non sense)

I don't like this

If those pit bulls could have such fates, they might as well stop breading them and sell them as pits... erm, as pets!

Tho I know the owner is the responsible for their attitude, I'm afraid their dormant aggressive nature is a main cause that can be easily triggered.

Dunno man

I agree......
And I would like to learn more about the position in Iran about dogs. Apparently working dogs are accepted and respected in Iran, but most Iranians do not want to see dogs running around in public places, and since there may very well be a dog taboo caused by rabies and other infections, we gotta respect their laws about dogs and dog use.
My once daughter-in-law's fiancee died within two days of being nipped by his own dog whilst separating it from a dog-fight. Sepsis. Maybe this is more common in the middle-east.

The problem is that there must be an escape goat, and it is always the dog, and it's its death.

Honestly, I believe stopping breading these pit bulls is the right human thing to do. Opinions may differ, but the facts are that these dogs are getting killed all year long, which is wrong. I'd consider facts instead of opinions. At least not as pets.

..... Cool. They might as well breed big cats and sell them for family pets.
Your Lion might jump over our fence.... we're frightened of it!
Rubbish. It's a darling with our kiddies....... It's harmless.
Lions can kill people, for Chrissakes!
It's not the Lions, it's the owners! We don't listen to alarmist rubbish about lions!
You're joking! Don't you let that thing out on its own again!
Huh! Duh! You're just anti-lion!