Iranian woman faces being stoned to death for adultery

[beenie]

The whole Islam can solve the adultery problem by allowing a Muslim woman to have more than 1 husband. A Muslim man can get away with adultery by having more than 1 wife, so why not women have the same benefit as the men?

But the inequality of Islam is that only men can practice polygamy, but not women, strike me as being double standard and more than misogynistic and chauvinistic (patriarchal) society.

hmmm.
well, there are a few problems with this.
Islamic jurisprudence places financial responsibility on the males, so a woman having multiple husbands would be troublesome...
then there's the whole DNA issue if the woman becomes pregnant.

nope, two wrongs don't make a right here.

the allowance of men to marry multiple wives is a limitation placed on a culture that allowed unlimited number of wives/concubines, etc.

the Qur'an also states that all are to be treated equally, and if they can't do it (and it later says that God knows they can't), then marry just one.

Islam is the only religion that actually limits the number of wives...at least in His words and not scribes.

oh, and i don't want more than one man.

 

[gnostic]

oh, and i don't want more than one man.

It is matter of choice. A woman should be able to make the same decision as the men, especially the number of husbands, whether it be just one or more.

If you want just one husband, then good for you. But if you feel that can love another man, then you should be given the option of marrying another one.

Why should men be the only one given this choice? That's not equality.

Anyway, I wouldn't want more than one woman, myself. If I was to have 3 wives, then I would have 3 possibilities that I would get nag on all 3 sides. The situation becomes even worse, if I have to deal with 3 mothers-in-law, instead of the one. :thud:

 

[Thesavorofpan]

hmmm.
well, there are a few problems with this.
Islamic jurisprudence places financial responsibility on the males, so a woman having multiple husbands would be troublesome...
then there's the whole DNA issue if the woman becomes pregnant.

nope, two wrongs don't make a right here.

the allowance of men to marry multiple wives is a limitation placed on a culture that allowed unlimited number of wives/concubines, etc.

the Qur'an also states that all are to be treated equally, and if they can't do it (and it later says that God knows they can't), then marry just one.

Islam is the only religion that actually limits the number of wives...at least in His words and not scribes.

oh, and i don't want more than one man.

Wrong Christianity is for one on one marriages

"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." 1st Corinthians 7:2

 

[nameless]

the allowance of men to marry multiple wives is a limitation placed on a culture that allowed unlimited number of wives/concubines, etc.

the Qur'an also states that all are to be treated equally, and if they can't do it (and it later says that God knows they can't), then marry just one.

your statements contradicting eachother....
concubines - A woman who cohabits with a man without being legally married to him, they usually dont have rights of a wife.

Islamic jurisprudence places financial responsibility on the males.

why so? females are not capable for that?

then there's the whole DNA issue if the woman becomes pregnant.

not necessarily. If husbands are ready for some adjustments, there wont be any issue.

the Qur'an also states that all are to be treated equally, and if they can't do it (and it later says that God knows they can't), then marry just one.

Does not it requires permission from existing wife to have multiple wives? what quran says about that?

Islam is the only religion that actually limits the number of wives...at least in His words and not scribes.

also, Islam is the only religion in where polygomy is currently practised.
And a question about muhammad......why muhammad married 20+ women, is it not against quran?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

I call upon every muslim in this thread lol

Please please be careful about saying anything about Quran and sunnah without a proof ; may Allah protect you.

We all knw how bad it is to state something without knowledge in Islam isnt it? So please may Allah reward you be careful in your statements and bring proofs from Quran , sunnah, or seerah.


Otherwise it wont be called a scientific discussion, Barakallahu feekum.

And forgive me for interfering.
Hayyakum ALlah

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

And a question about muhammad......why muhammad married 20+ women, is it not against quran?

Quran ( 4; 54)
54. Or do they envy men (Muhammad

and his followers) for what All�h has given them of His Bounty? Then We had already given the family of Ibr�him (Abraham) the Book and Al�Hikmah (As�Sunnah - Divine Inspiration to those Prophets not written in the form of a book), and conferred upon them a great kingdom.


Ibn Abi Hatim said : Narrated Al Awfi, Narrated Ibn Abbas ( cousin of the prophet peace be upon him ) , The people of the book said: Muhammad claim to be modest, while what he has , only kings can have it, and all he think about is marriage.

 

[nameless]

Quran ( 4; 54)
54. Or do they envy men (Muhammad

and his followers) for what All�h has given them of His Bounty? Then We had already given the family of Ibr�him (Abraham) the Book and Al�Hikmah (As�Sunnah - Divine Inspiration to those Prophets not written in the form of a book), and conferred upon them a great kingdom.


Ibn Abi Hatim said : Narrated Al Awfi, Narrated Ibn Abbas ( cousin of the prophet peace be upon him ) , The people of the book said: Muhammad claim to be modest, while what he has , only kings can have it, and all he think about is marriage.

kindly explain in your own words, fatima ....

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

I thought it was clear , all I meant by my post is that Jews said the same thing about him. ( i.e mentalities never change)

Also, that him having more than 4 wives being a special blessing for him as a prophet and each prophet had his own charactistic ( e.g: Moses talked to Allah )

And if you read his biography peace be upon him, you'll find that every wife he married there was a much more than just marriage in that, for example when he married the daughter of that king who was jailed in war, his companions released all her relatives respecting the fact that they were now from the family of teh prophet peace be upon him.

On other marriages for example, there was a bigger thing in it than just marriage , i.e one wife was from a big arabic tribe, so this way Muslims could have backup when they need it.

I'll try to find a more precise article about this when I have time Inshallah.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

the Qur'an also states that all are to be treated equally, and if they can't do it (and it later says that God knows they can't), then marry just one.

In every explanation of Quran Ive read ( and there is proof on it from Hadith) , that this part was meant that you wont be able to equal them in love, since love is related to the heart deeds.
Treating equally is related to financial and kindness issues.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ssainhu
Islamic jurisprudence places financial responsibility on the males.

why so? females are not capable for that?

They are capable ( the first wife of the prophet peace be upon him was a rich merchand) , but they can keep it for themselves and men will still have the reponsibility of providing for them. ( I dont recall someone calling for men rights in Islam before , why is that?? Or because females are easily trapped in decorated calls of freedom? )

Does not it requires permission from existing wife to have multiple wives? what quran says about that?

No it is not required, but its a good thing to do.

[youtube]P01c0ZWv2qA[/youtube]
YouTube - Deedat - Why a man can have four wives in islam ?

also, Islam is the only religion in where polygomy is currently practised.

Same video as above.

 

[.lava]

some women who were left alone because of war wanted to marry Prophet themselves to have a secure shelter to live under. if something similar happens, i would not mind marrying with someone i trust though we would not have any sexual relationship just to make sure i would not be attacked or abused by those who take advantage of chaos of wars. consider that...perhabs sometime in your life you realize almost all of his wives were older than 50 years old widows and not every marriage was done for sexual intent specially for Prophets as they did not come to this world to have a worldly and ordinary lives. their priority was their divine duty

.

 

[.lava]

I call upon every muslim in this thread lol

Please please be careful about saying anything about Quran and sunnah without a proof ; may Allah protect you.

We all knw how bad it is to state something without knowledge in Islam isnt it? So please may Allah reward you be careful in your statements and bring proofs from Quran , sunnah, or seerah.


Otherwise it wont be called a scientific discussion, Barakallahu feekum.

And forgive me for interfering.
Hayyakum ALlah

thank you for your kind warning, Fatima. i appreciate it


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[beenie]

In every explanation of Quran Ive read ( and there is proof on it from Hadith) , that this part was meant that you wont be able to equal them in love, since love is related to the heart deeds.
Treating equally is related to financial and kindness issues.



They are capable ( the first wife of the prophet peace be upon him was a rich merchand) , but they can keep it for themselves and men will still have the reponsibility of providing for them. ( I dont recall someone calling for men rights in Islam before , why is that?? Or because females are easily trapped in decorated calls of freedom? )




No it is not required, but its a good thing to do.

this is what i was referring to. the men are obligated to share their earnings with wive(s) and family; women are not. what we earn is ours.

 

[gnostic]

I thought it was clear , all I meant by my post is that Jews said the same thing about him. ( i.e mentalities never change)

Also, that him having more than 4 wives being a special blessing for him as a prophet and each prophet had his own charactistic ( e.g: Moses talked to Allah )

How do having 4 wives indicate a prophet to be special? What do the number of wives have to do with being a prophet?

Noah had only 1 wife. Does that mean Muhammad is better than Noah?

Abraham had 1 wife and 1 concubine, and after some times after Sarah died, he married again. Does that means Muhammad is better Abraham?

Jacob had 2 wives and 2 concubines. However, his marriage to Leah wasn't out of his choice.

Moses had 1 wife, no concubines. Does that mean Muhammad is better than Moses?

The Jews don't considered David and Solomon to be prophets, but Muslims do; they viewed them as kings. And being king is different to being a prophet. Do Muslims considered Muhammad to be a king?

 

[Badran]

How do having 4 wives indicate a prophet to be special? What do the number of wives have to do with being a prophet?

Noah had only 1 wife. Does that mean Muhammad is better than Noah?

Abraham had 1 wife and 1 concubine, and after some times after Sarah died, he married again. Does that means Muhammad is better Abraham?

Jacob had 2 wives and 2 concubines. However, his marriage to Leah wasn't out of his choice.

Moses had 1 wife, no concubines. Does that mean Muhammad is better than Moses?

What was meant is that each prophet is blessed with somethings. Solomon with wealth and such, joseph with looks, and i think .lava meant that this was part of the blessings god gave Muhammad (pbuh).

The Jews don't considered David and Solomon to be prophets, but Muslims do; they viewed them as kings. And being king is different to being a prophet. Do Muslims considered Muhammad to be a king?

King is not really the word to describe him at all. He was a prophet, and later on he led his followers who believed in him as a messenger and believed in his message. So he was a leader yes, but not a king.

 

[gnostic]

What was meant is that each prophet is blessed with somethings. Solomon with wealth and such, joseph with looks, and i think .lava meant that this was part of the blessings god gave Muhammad (pbuh).

Actually, what made Solomon special was not wealth at all. It was his wisdom. God answered Solomon's prayer by giving him wisdom. And due to divine gift, he received, Solomon gained wealth more through trades, peace and alliance (through marriages), instead of military conquests. Of course, his marriages proved to be the downfall of united Israelite kingdom, because these wives were foreigners and pagans.

In the Genesis, Joseph was known more for his wisdom and his ability to interpret dreams (or visions), and not for his looks.

And speaking of Joseph, he had had only 1 wife, no concubine, despite becoming the governor of Egypt, rich and powerful, and second only to the king of Egypt.

And the question remains unanswered, badran. .lava say that Muhammad had special blessing, having 4 wives. What do the number of wives have to do with the specialness of Muhammad's being a prophet?

The quantity of wives don't indicate anything special about any of prophets prior to Muhammad. The number of wives don't indicate prophet have any special power. If the number of wives indicate the unique characteristic of Muhammad being a prophet, then I don't think he is special at all.

Now if .lava said that the Muhammad was the first Arab monotheistic prophet, then I would say that he is indeed unique, but not because he has more wives than Moses.

 

[Badran]

Actually, what made Solomon special was not wealth at all. It was his wisdom. God answered Solomon's prayer by giving him wisdom. And due to divine gift, he received, Solomon gained wealth more through trades, peace and alliance (through marriages), instead of military conquests. Of course, his marriages proved to be the downfall of united Israelite kingdom, because these wives were foreigners and pagans.

In the Genesis, Joseph was known more for his wisdom and his ability to interpret dreams (or visions), and not for his looks.

And speaking of Joseph, he had had only 1 wife, no concubine, despite becoming the governor of Egypt, rich and powerful, and second only to the king of Egypt.

And the question remains unanswered, badran. .lava say that Muhammad had special blessing, having 4 wives. What do the number of wives have to do with the specialness of Muhammad's being a prophet?

The quantity of wives don't indicate anything special about any of prophets prior to Muhammad. The number of wives don't indicate prophet have any special power. If the number of wives indicate the unique characteristic of Muhammad being a prophet, then I don't think he is special at all.

Now if .lava said that the Muhammad was the first Arab monotheistic prophet, then I would say that he is indeed unique, but not because he has more wives than Moses.

I didn't clarify enough. You're still looking at it in terms of what makes Muhammad (pbuh) special, or in other words that supposedly what .lava meant is that this marriage thing is a plus or something special about Muhammad (pbuh), thats not the case.

What is meant, that it is a gift, a gift that has nothing to do with how special the prophet is. Like Joseph's looks and Solomon's wealth. A gift from god to them, not how they are unique or how are they virtuous. Thats what i understand she was trying to say. Do you see the difference?

 

[gnostic]

I didn't clarify enough. You're still looking at it in terms of what makes Muhammad (pbuh) special, or in other words that supposedly what .lava meant is that this marriage thing is a plus or something special about Muhammad (pbuh), thats not the case.

What is meant, that it is a gift, a gift that has nothing to do with how special the prophet is. Like Joseph's looks and Solomon's wealth. A gift from god to them, not how they are unique or how are they virtuous. Thats what i understand she was trying to say. Do you see the difference?

Badran, I would agree with you what you are saying, except that fatima_bintu_islam spoke of special blessing in term with the "characteristic" of each prophet.

You do understand what "characteristic" mean, don't you?

She said -

so, that him having more than 4 wives being a special blessing for him as a prophet and each prophet had his own charactistic ( e.g: Moses talked to Allah )

Characteristic has to do with a individual's character, either about his quality or trait that distinguish this person's character.

If fatima_bintu_islam left out "each prophet had his own characteristic", then I would have no argument with you.

Having 4 wives has nothing to do with Muhammad's characteristic, unless you are talking about how he was able to seduce women into marrying him.

A person's wealth or even a person's look have nothing to do with person's character, unless you talking about a person's greed (with Solomon) or a person's vanity (with Joseph) and neither of these could be considered to be virtues, don't you think.

Anyway, I hope that my explanation clarify what I am saying with regards to my interpretation of what she was saying.

(EDIT NOTE: I have misquoted. The quote should be from fatima_bintu_islam, not .lava. I've made the proper correction in this post, in red. Apologies to all concern - fatima_bintu_islam, .lava and badran.)

 

[dust1n]

I just heard on the news that she will not be executed by stoning.

Iran backs down.

I hope it's true.

Yeah!

 

[.lava]

@ Badran and Gnostic, i see you mention my name. is there anything i can do? if i am not understood or what i said was not clear enough, please let me know. i would explain

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[Badran]

Badran, I would agree with you what you are saying, except that .lava spoke of special blessing in term with the "characteristic" of each prophet.

You do understand what "characteristic" mean, don't you?

She said -

Characteristic has to do with a individual's character, either about his quality or trait that distinguish this person's character.

If .lava left out "each prophet had his own characteristic", then I would have no argument with you.

Having 4 wives has nothing to do with Muhammad's characteristeric, unless you are talking about how he was able to seduce women into marrying him.

A person's wealth or even a person's look have nothing to do with person's character, unless you talking about a person's greed (with Solomon) or a person's vanity (with Joseph) and neither of these could be considered to be virtues, don't you think.

Anyway, I hope that my explanation clarify what I am saying with regards to my interpretation of what she was saying.

I understand there was reasons to lead you to the conclusion, i was merely trying to clarify the misunderstanding, i guess its easier to just ask .lava what she meant.

@ Badran and Gnostic, i see you mention my name. is there anything i can do? if i am not understood or what i said was not clear enough, please let me know. i would explain

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We should've asked you from the start. What did you mean about the part of the wives of Muhammad (pbuh)?

That this was a gift from god to him, just like Joseph's looks and Solomon's wealth, or that it was a special characteristic about Muhammad (pbuh)?

You see when you said characteristic, it led to the understanding that its something special about Muhammad (pbuh) that he had multiple wives.