Iranian woman faces being stoned to death for adultery

[gnostic]

@ Badran and Gnostic, i see you mention my name. is there anything i can do? if i am not understood or what i said was not clear enough, please let me know. i would explain

Oops!

I think I made a mistake with whom I quoted from. :sorry1:

This quote below is from fatima-bintu-islam, not islam:

so, that him having more than 4 wives being a special blessing for him as a prophet and each prophet had his own charactistic ( e.g: Moses talked to Allah )

My mistake. I don't often make this type of mistake. Most of mistakes come from spelling or grammar, not quoting.

My apologies to fatima, .lava, and badran. :sorry1:

 

[gnostic]

this is what i was referring to. the men are obligated to share their earnings with wive(s) and family; women are not. what we earn is ours.

Sadly the reality is not always true.

My sister worked for a security company about 10 years ago, in admin, with a couple of Pakistani Muslim women. Every fortnight, their husbands come to pick them up, and both men took the paychecks from their wives. They were bossy too; you would think their wives were servants and not wives. My sister thought at that time, it was rude and inappropriate behaviors.

 

[.lava]

Oops!

I think I made a mistake with whom I quoted from. :sorry1:

This quote below is from fatima-bintu-islam, not islam:


My mistake. I don't often make this type of mistake. Most of mistakes come from spelling or grammar, not quoting.

My apologies to fatima, .lava, and badran. :sorry1:

oh, no problem thank you for explaining

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[gnostic]

We should've asked you from the start. What did you mean about the part of the wives of Muhammad (pbuh)?

That this was a gift from god to him, just like Joseph's looks and Solomon's wealth, or that it was a special characteristic about Muhammad (pbuh)?

You see when you said characteristic, it led to the understanding that its something special about Muhammad (pbuh) that he had multiple wives.

Our questions should actually be directed to fatima_bintu_islam, because I've made error in whom I was quoting from.

However, I'll always welcome .lava's answer, as well as fatima.

 

[nameless]

what about opening a separate thread about muhammad disobeying quran prescription?

 

[.lava]

what about opening a separate thread about muhammad disobeying quran prescription?

no Prophet would disobey God. if they could, they would not be Prophets

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[nameless]

no Prophet would disobey God. if they could, they would not be Prophets

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muhammad had 20+ wives, if muhammad was correct on that, then why allah prescribed a max of 4 wives? who got wrong? allah or muhammad? also had seen muslims claiming muhammad's life is the best example to follow, how is it possible to follow quran and muhammad at same time?

 

[nameless]

No it is not required, but its a good thing to do.

[youtube]P01c0ZWv2qA[/youtube]
YouTube - Deedat - Why a man can have four wives in islam ?



Same video as above.

responding to a question in this fashion is not at all appreciated.......

you should get explanations from that video and post it here, so that i could quote/respond.

 

[nameless]

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Treating equally is related to financial and kindness issues.

and what about social status?
if there is equal kindness to all of them, the social status of theirs would be equal too, and social status of concubines are lower than that of wives, which means they are not treated equal.

 

[nameless]

some women who were left alone because of war wanted to marry Prophet themselves to have a secure shelter to live under. if something similar happens, i would not mind marrying with someone i trust though we would not have any sexual relationship just to make sure i would not be attacked or abused by those who take advantage of chaos of wars. consider that...perhabs sometime in your life you realize almost all of his wives were older than 50 years old widows and not every marriage was done for sexual intent specially for Prophets as they did not come to this world to have a worldly and ordinary lives. their priority was their divine duty

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why quran not permits other people to practice the same what muhammad did? by limiting the number of wives, quran/allah exposes women to danger.

 

[gnostic]

no Prophet would disobey God. if they could, they would not be Prophets

You are forgetting Adam.

Although in the end, Jonah had done what god told him, he had attempt to run away from his duties as a prophet (the one swallowed by the big fish or whale).

Or do you think prophets don't have free choice, like angels? Wouldn't that be contradiction of Islamic teaching that humans and djinns have free will, and angels don't?

 

[nameless]

And if you read his biography peace be upon him, you'll find that every wife he married there was a much more than just marriage in that, for example when he married the daughter of that king who was jailed in war, his companions released all her relatives respecting the fact that they were now from the family of teh prophet peace be upon him.

lol,

this just proves how much disobidient was muhammad's companions. Muhammad found no other means to rescue the king from his own companions, other than to marry king's daughter.
See the helplessness of king's daughter to marry someone she was not interested, to me this incident appears to be more like a perfect blackmail. I feel sympathy for that king.
I appreciate god for blessing muhammad in this fashion, giving him wives.

 

[nameless]

Also, that him having more than 4 wives being a special blessing for him as a prophet and each prophet had his own charactistic ( e.g: Moses talked to Allah )

i really appreciate the manner allah blessed muhammad, giving him aged ladies (aged 50+) is that what muhammad deserved?

 

[.lava]

You are forgetting Adam.

Although in the end, Jonah had done what god told him, he had attempt to run away from his duties as a prophet (the one swallowed by the big fish or whale).

Or do you think prophets don't have free choice, like angels? Wouldn't that be contradiction of Islamic teaching that humans and djinns have free will, and angels don't?

what about Adam?

certain people were chosen as Prophets (and messengers) before they were born but they were not born as Prophets. they lived like ordinary people and they had free will until they submit to God. after they submit their free wills, they started acting upon divine will. every act and every word of theirs was from God after that point. that's how i know it

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[.lava]

muhammad had 20+ wives, if muhammad was correct on that, then why allah prescribed a max of 4 wives? who got wrong? allah or muhammad? also had seen muslims claiming muhammad's life is the best example to follow, how is it possible to follow quran and muhammad at same time?

you need to find out when that verse about number of wives was revealed then. magic was not forbidden till verse about it was revealed. Muslims used to drink wine till the verse that prevents alcohol was revealed. above all it took 23 years till whole of the book was revealed

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[nameless]

you need to find out when that verse about number of wives was revealed then. magic was not forbidden till verse about it was revealed. Muslims used to drink wine till the verse that prevents alcohol was revealed. above all it took 23 years till whole of the book was revealed

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so muhammad did not married anyone after he became prophet?

 

[nameless]

some women who were left alone because of war wanted to marry Prophet themselves to have a secure shelter to live under. if something similar happens, i would not mind marrying with someone i trust though we would not have any sexual relationship just to make sure i would not be attacked or abused by those who take advantage of chaos of wars.

all these women were once beautiful daughters of high class people(king,chieftain etc). They were taken as slaves by muhammad after their belongings got killed by muhammad's army. It is said that muhammad freed them from being slaves only after they accepted muhammad's marriage proposal. Few of them were Raihanah bint Zaid, Juwayriya bint al-Harith, Safiyya bint Huyayy.

.lava, are you serious? you would follow the same steps if you are in the similar situation?