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Irony of the evolutionary belief

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
I understand that you don't understand. God alone is the one that can help you to understand better.
And which God is that? So I can prepare myself for a visit or phone call.

Notice what Dr. Carl Sagan said in his book, Cosmos,"...we may have only another few decades until Doomsday. A more detailed comparison of the incidence of wars before and after 1945 might help to clarify this question. It is of more than passing concern." He wrote that several decades ago. According to the Doomsday Clock scientists, mankind is closer than ever to disaster.
How do you feel about that? According to evolutionists', death is the natural scheme of things anyway. Whether it's sooner or later.

Sagan was an astronomer who I know very little of and I've never read the book. What one person claims does not really affect me one way or the other.

People die, what's your point?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
And which God is that? So I can prepare myself for a visit or phone call.



Sagan was an astronomer who I know very little of and I've never read the book. What one person claims does not really affect me one way or the other.

People die, what's your point?
Many scientists are saying now what Dr. Sagan proclaimed some time ago -- aside from death via evolution, things don't look too good scientifically speaking by scientists for the human race. Hey! Have a good one while you consider this, if you will. Take care.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Many scientists are saying now what Dr. Sagan proclaimed some time ago -- aside from death via evolution, things don't look too good scientifically speaking by scientists for the human race. Hey! Have a good one while you consider this, if you will. Take care.

So no news on which God I should be expecting?

Got a list of these many scientists?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
There is a big difference between

1) classifying animals (or plants) according to their real characteristics, which is very useful for our knowledge of the reality, and

2) determining the order of appearance of the different species and their supposed relationship of "familiarity" depending on that classification that was artificially created.

Whoever does the second is locked in a vicious circle.
If the classification of animals is done based on their actual real characteristics (like comparative anatomy and comparative genomics), then that classification is anything BUT "artificially created".
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Sounds like a word game and an excuse to avoid the question . All I need to do is change the word God for Designer . And your whole argument will collapse

So

1 the big bang was caused by a designer

2 the big bag was casued y an unknown natural mechanism


Why do you prefer 2 over 1?


Occam's razor.

We know that Designers and nature excist. So we are even.

The "designers" we know about, are physical entities that live IN the universe and are dependend on a relatively matured universe (with star systems, chemistry, bio-chemistry, etc). They are not "supernatural" entities that exist "outside of time" and other such magical mumbo-jumbo.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
By your logic


1 We know elephants excist

2 We dont know about a hypothetical form of matter that produces gravitational efects , but doesn't interact with light or the electromagnetic field (dark matter)

So by your logic and @Subduction Zone ) elephants are a better explanation than dark matter for the observed gravitational lensing


Dont you see any flaws in this logic ?
I see the flaws in that logic already.
They probably aren't the same flaws you are pretending they are though
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
They do.

The doctrine says that the evolution of new species is an infinite natural process with no fixed goal.

The goal is to survive and reproduce.
The choices are that, or extinction.

But even is there are thousands of human variations, all of us are humans and nothing else ... not even apes as some of they say.
All species always remain within their lineage.
Sub-species of humans will still be humans.
Just like humans remain primates, mammals, vertebrates, eukaryotes,....

We are primates because our ancestors were primates.
We are mammals because our ancestors were mammals.
We are chordates because our ancestors were chordates.
Our descendents will also be primates, mammals, chordates.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
That is why logic really doesn't play a part in the minds of some believers in evolution as if that's how we all came about, although I can understand their viewpoints (sometimes). Gorillas remain gorillas, chimps stay as chimps.


Funny.




:rolleyes::shrug:
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Many scientists are saying now what Dr. Sagan proclaimed some time ago -- aside from death via evolution, things don't look too good scientifically speaking by scientists for the human race. Hey! Have a good one while you consider this, if you will. Take care.

Do you think that this helps you in any way?

You should try to learn how to make a rational argument.
 
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