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Irony of the evolutionary belief

Marwan

*banned*
If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years... what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time? :cool:
ofc.
God.
Infinite Intelligence and Power; now you got the universe.

ofc there has been things existing before the big bang, for example God, Who is Eternal and Immortal.

and evolution is horese****.

God created me.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The paper I cited shows how faulty your interpretation and pipe dream scenario is
Not true. I am waiting for your to respond to my detailed source that provides detailed incremental changes in the evolution of the heart over a period of millions of years. Your source is simply an assertion of irreducible complexity, and does not contain the detailed incremental stages of the evolution of the different kinds of the heart my source provided,
 
Not true. I am waiting for your to respond to my detailed source that provides detailed incremental changes in the evolution of the heart over a period of millions of years. Your source is simply an assertion of irreducible complexity, and does not contain the detailed incremental stages of the evolution of the different kinds of the heart my source provided,
Yeah the heart doesn’t work by evolution in incremental stages as the paper I posted explains, go read it.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
ofc.
God.
Infinite Intelligence and Power; now you got the universe.

ofc there has been things existing before the big bang, for example God, Who is Eternal and Immortal.

and evolution is horese****.

God created me.
An incoherent response, What is a horese?

What is your educational background in the sciences of evolution?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Yeah the heart doesn’t work by evolution in incremental stages as the paper I posted explains, go read it.
I read the reference, My source documented that every incremental stage of the evolution of the heart function as a circulatory organ in every animal it was in .
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Yeah the heart doesn’t work by evolution in incremental stages as the paper I posted explains, go read it.
Another complete description of the evolution of the heart from a "real" scientific perspective without a religious agenda,: There are more . . .


Chapter 1.1 - Evolutionary Origins of Hearts​

Author links open overlay panelJosé Xavier-Neto 1, Brad Davidson 2, Marcos Sawada Simoes-Costa 1 3, Rodrigo Abe Castro 1 3, Hozana Andrade Castillo 1 3, Allysson Coelho Sampaio 1 3, Ana Paula Azambuja 1 3

Publisher Summary​

This chapter discusses various kinds of animal circulatory pumps and utilizes a hierarchical set of concepts to analyze their evolution. It also defines the position occupied by vertebrate chambered hearts in relation to the other classes of animal pumping organs, such as arthropod dorsal vessels and mollusc chambered hearts, traces the origins of these diverse pumping organs, focuses on the evolution of deuterostome pumping organs, and discusses evolutionary scenarios regarding the origins of vertebrate hearts. The comparative study of pumping organs in bilaterian animals is rife with provoking and stimulating similarities that in some cases reflect true homologies. In other cases, however, the distinction is not yet possible, but it is helpful to note that the requisites for homology are very well known today, and that it is necessary to check the available evidence against these criteria. However, similarities between animal pumping organs need not be homologies to be interesting. In many cases, these similarities can be conveniently attributed to evolutionary parallelisms or to convergence (Hall, 2003; Xavier-Neto et al., 2007). These parallel or convergent solutions to the problems of animal pumping are, in a sense, actually more challenging than the cases of homology. The evolution of chambered hearts from the simple peristaltic organs of invertebrate chordates remains a fascinating problem whose evolutionary, developmental and genetic bases have been left largely untouched.
 
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Another complete description of the evolution of the heart from a "real" scientific perspective without a religious agenda,: There are more . . .
So it’s biased and incomplete and you’re good with your “echo chamber”. The paper that I posted referenced some of your sources and brought up the problems with the view you are in agreement with. Here is just one problem:

A literature search of published articles in peer-reviewed journals on the evolution of chambered hearts reveals that no one has even attempted to outline how the many major changes could occur while allowing the animal to survive during the transition from one heart design into another heart type.

One study admitted that while “currently there are no reasons to doubt that chambered hearts originated from peristaltic pumps, the actual sequence of events is not clear” (Xavier-Neto and Carvalho 2012, 39). They then outlined three very different possibilities, namely the sequential hypothesis, the recruitment hypothesis, and the patterning hypothesis, all of which are very hypothetical and contradictory. Another heart study, this one of the zebra fish heart development, noted its development will be explained by some “yet-to-be revealed mechanisms and evolutionary origins” (Kemmler et al. 2021, 8). Many other similar studies exist involving the heart, all of which were consulted and revealed a similar lack of viable theories on heart origins and evolution (Salazar-Ciudad 2006).
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I’m not anti science, I’m not in agreement with the conclusions of the origin of life evolutionist promote, it makes no sense and impossible.
ah yes, the apologists will say that the theory of evolution has no bearing on how it all started (abiogenesis). But they think they know what the first form of life was (is). How it happened is apparently not connected with evolution, so it is said.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
ah yes, the apologists will say that the theory of evolution has no bearing on how it all started (abiogenesis). But they think they know what the first form of life was (is). How it happened is apparently not connected with evolution, so it is said.
This is an example of how we know that you have almost no understanding of the theory of evolution.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
This is an example of how we know that you have almost no understanding of the theory of evolution.
So abiogenesis does not offer any idea as to WHAT might have been the first form of life, is that what you are saying? I remember you didn't like a dictionary definition of abiogenesis, so how about the following, do you want to refute it also by saying oh, they don't know what they're talking about maybe?

wikipedia under abiogenesis
" biology, abiogenesis (from Greek ἀ- a- 'not' + βῐ́ος bios 'life' + γένεσις genesis 'origin') or the origin of life is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. The prevailing scientific hypothesis is that the transition from non-living to living entities on Earth was not a single event, but a process of increasing complexity involving the formation of a habitable planet, the prebiotic synthesis of organic molecules, molecular self-replication, self-assembly, autocatalysis, and the emergence of cell membranes. Many proposals have been made for different stages of the process, but the transition from non-life to life has never been observed experimentally."

Remember it says natural process. The Bible does not say "natural process." But yes, that God caused life to be on the earth.

My comment -- uh - yeah...and like to walk out of class if I could because there ain't gonna be any answers except um, we don't know now -- maybe later. Maybe you think wikipedia is wrong when they say the transition from non-life to life has -- never been observed experimentally. About the Urey-Miller experiment, it also says: "The classic 1952 Miller–Urey experiment demonstrated that most amino acids, the chemical constituents of proteins, can be synthesized from inorganic compounds under conditions intended to replicate those of the early Earth. External sources of energy may have triggered these reactions, including lightning, radiation, atmospheric entries of micro-meteorites and implosion of bubbles in sea and ocean waves. Other approaches ("metabolism-first" hypotheses) focus on understanding how catalysis in chemical systems on the early Earth might have provided the precursor molecules necessary for self-replication."
But they don't KNOW that.
So again, even the Urey-Miller experiments are contrived and not demonstrating in reality how life got started on the earth. Maybe you have more information.
 
So abiogenesis does not offer any idea as to WHAT might have been the first form of life, is that what you are saying? I remember you didn't like a dictionary definition of abiogenesis, so how about the following, do you want to refute it also by saying oh, they don't know what they're talking about maybe?

wikipedia under abiogenesis
" biology, abiogenesis (from Greek ἀ- a- 'not' + βῐ́ος bios 'life' + γένεσις genesis 'origin') or the origin of life is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. The prevailing scientific hypothesis is that the transition from non-living to living entities on Earth was not a single event, but a process of increasing complexity involving the formation of a habitable planet, the prebiotic synthesis of organic molecules, molecular self-replication, self-assembly, autocatalysis, and the emergence of cell membranes. Many proposals have been made for different stages of the process, but the transition from non-life to life has never been observed experimentally."

Remember it says natural process. The Bible does not say "natural process." But yes, that God caused life to be on the earth.

My comment -- uh - yeah...and like to walk out of class if I could because there ain't gonna be any answers except um, we don't know now -- maybe later. Maybe you think wikipedia is wrong when they say the transition from non-life to life has -- never been observed experimentally. About the Urey-Miller experiment, it also says: "The classic 1952 Miller–Urey experiment demonstrated that most amino acids, the chemical constituents of proteins, can be synthesized from inorganic compounds under conditions intended to replicate those of the early Earth. External sources of energy may have triggered these reactions, including lightning, radiation, atmospheric entries of micro-meteorites and implosion of bubbles in sea and ocean waves. Other approaches ("metabolism-first" hypotheses) focus on understanding how catalysis in chemical systems on the early Earth might have provided the precursor molecules necessary for self-replication."
But they don't KNOW that.
So again, even the Urey-Miller experiments are contrived and not demonstrating in reality how life got started on the earth. Maybe you have more information.
Well, problem is we don’t understand their version of biology, after all there could be 72 genders and counting.
 
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