ElishaElijah
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I’m not anti science, I’m not in agreement with the conclusions of the origin of life evolutionist promote, it makes no sense and impossible.
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Irony of the evolutionary belief
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Yes from the Bible as cited with Biblical references from Matthew, which you have failed to respond to. The extreme anti-semitic Christian views of Europe, which Martin Luther documented determined that the widespread violence, prejudice and ethnic cleansing of Jews is grounded in Christian European history and the citizens enthusiastically supported Hitler and other leaders in their goals. Martin Luther provided the plan for Hitler, and Hitler and other leaders of Europe in Christian Europe from Spain to Russia.
Your reference is highly flawed by dishonest religious bias against science as is all your posts. Your Christian professor is not a scientist.
The sciences of evolution are the same science as all other sciences, and supported by 95%+ of all scientists in the world including all the major scientific universities of the world.
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ElishaElijah
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The Bible doesn’t say to exterminate the Jews and making a super race. It says Jesus breaks down the middle wall of separation making Jew and Gentile one body through the cross getting rid of the enmity.
That’s not the Gospel or what the Bible teaches except that’s what Satan’s plan is for Israel and the Church.
ElishaElijah
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@shunyadragon
Do you believe God created everything? Or
Do you believe that once upon a time there was no life at all and something happened and a life form showed up and from that we somehow got to where we are today?
Do you believe God created everything? Or
Do you believe that once upon a time there was no life at all and something happened and a life form showed up and from that we somehow got to where we are today?
Right or wrong the Book of Matthew concerning the Jews responsible for the death of Jesus Christ inspired the Passion play accusing JEws of being "Christ killers."
Matthew 27:24–25
24So when Pilate saw that he could do nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took some water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves.” 25Then the people as a whole answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”
John 5:16–18:
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute him. In his defense Jesus said to them, "My father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working." For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Paul writes in 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 as follows:
For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you suffered the same things from your own compatriots as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out; they displease God and oppose everyone by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. Thus they have constantly been filling up the measure of their sins; but God's wrath has overtaken them at last.
In Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 reference is made to a "synagogue of Satan" (συναγωγή τοῦ Σατανᾶ). At Revelation 2:9 we have:
I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan
At 3:9 one reads:
ehold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie--behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.
Hitler and of course citations by Martin Luther are only part of the picture of of over 2000 years of Jewish persecution, ethnic cleansing and accusations of deicide in Europe. You cannot blame Hitler alone for the believe and acts of the people of Europe. It is not a matter of which interpretation is correct, but the fact at Martin Luther, the rulers and Christians of Europe were advocates of over 2000 years of persecution and ethnic cleansing are base on the New Testament,
Anti-semitism violence a alive and well growing recently in the USA,
Yes as the dominant belief of Theistic evolutionist in the USA and Europe. God Create our physical existence and the evolution of life in harmony as science has determined. God does not Create contradictions in the physical evidence to fool scientists.
This proposition of ridiculous and does not remotely reflect the sciences of evolution or the believers in God as Theistic Evolution.
ElishaElijah
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They did bring a curse on themselves but we all caused Jesus to be crucified, unless a person never sinned.
You misunderstand, I mentioned Hitler because when I look at his actions it seemed to me, right or wrong, that he was influenced by evolutionary thought about creating a superior race. That’s my opinion looking at it.
People make life decision based on world view so to say society isn't influenced by evolution or creation biblical view isn’t true.
ElishaElijah
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Explain how you believe this. You can be simple in your explanation.
I believe in my posts and numerous other threads I have given an adequate explanation for the scientific explanation of supporting the scientific position for the history of our physical existence and the evolution of life, but nonetheless . . .
I am a geologist with over 50 years experience in geology across the USA and around the world. including 8 years in China, visiting Japan, Europe (great glacier geology,) Israel, and the Himalayas of India. There is no question that our earth is billions of years old, and life evolved over billions of years. The fossils are easy evidence for this in rock strata hundreds of thousands and billions years old. The strata of rock in orderly cyclic sequence of Sandstone (from beaches and wind blown deposits, shale (from shallow seas and lacks, limestones formed in the seas with coral reefs, and coal formed in vast forested swamps some with trees still stand with roots as they were covered by beach and wind blown sand. All these types of deposition are still taking place today as in the ancient rock layers. These rock strata are tens of thousands of feet thick in many regions of the world demonstrating the vast time involved.
The evidence of of gradual continental drift and mountain building are also specific evidence of an ancient earth.
There are many ancient lakes with thousands of annual thin soil deposits with a spring pollen layer in each layer. There are several lakes in the mountains of Japan with over 100,000 annual layers. This process can be observed annually in lakes all over the world today having a deposit each year.
There is absolutely no evidence of a Noah world or regional flood in any of these sedimentary deposits around the world. The claims of evidence of a catastrophic flood in various parts of the world can be easily explained by the evidence of local river floods, Tsunamis, land subsidence due to earthquakes, and some ancient local glacial floods. You do not need radiometric dating to confirm billions of year sof geologic history, but it is essential with other dating methods to give accurate time of the rocks and fossils.
The evidence is overwhelming supporting an ancient earth billions of years of and the evolution of life.
ElishaElijah
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This is all fine and dandy except where does God fit in? Didn’t you say you had a theistic view? And of course you can have an explanation, that explanation can also be false.
You say there was no world wide flood yet there is evidence of marine life on top of mountains, you can either believe God that there was a worldwide flood or make up a different reason, are you saying you know for sure? You’re positive, someone observed your view? You view current things over your lifespan and equate that to a billion years ago? This is very laughable. No one knows what was going on a billion years ago except God, because He is eternal. How old are you? 60-70 and you have very little experience compared to even 100k years ago let alone a billion.
You still haven’t shared how life came to be? Where God fits in? Even you view on what you mean by evolution.
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ElishaElijah
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@shunyadragon
”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.“
Genesis 1:1-4 NIV
How many years was it from Genesis 1 - Genesis 2
Does it say in the Bible? God is Eternal
”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.“
Genesis 1:1-4 NIV
How many years was it from Genesis 1 - Genesis 2
Does it say in the Bible? God is Eternal
Creation of the universe, solar system, and the earth and the Creation of the evolution of life involves billions of years
I believe God is eternal, and yes in the Bible God is eternal.
ElishaElijah
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You don’t know that, where is that written, who observed these things? All we know is that when God started creating in Genesis 2, or should I say from the time God said Let there be light till He finished, it was in 6 literal days, He rested on the 7th.
There is no one to observe anything before Adam and Eve, no record of human beings except the Bible record of genealogy of mankind.
When you say creation of evolution, what does that mean exactly?
Absolutely no, It is this type of thinking that leads to antisemitism and worse,
This is a religious belief based on your interpretation. I do not believe anyone else is directly responsible for the crucifiction of Christ except possible the Romans. Crucifixion is the Roman punishment of rebellion against Rome. If it were the Jews Jesus would be stoned to death.
He may have been influenced by a terrible interpretation of the science of genetics and evolution, but that is not the fault of valid science nor evolution, The extreme antisemitism, persecution, and attempts of ethnic cleansing of the Jews of Europe for over 2000 years can hardly be blame on the belief in evolution.
It is often the case that the pogroms, persecution and attempts of ethic cleansing of Jews is a misinterpretation of the Bible, ut it was so wide spread and prevalent that is problematic excue,It is very clear an real that over 2000 the Christian rulers and the people of Europe openly advocated and carried out the persecution and attempts to ethnically cleanse Jews from Europe, and the writings of Martin Luther confirms this,
Yes, people do make such decisions, but hen greatly corrupt science and evolution to make their decisions it is there responsibility to be responsible for the consequences. the same is true true for religious beliefs that result in the persecution, and attempts at ethnic cleansing of Jews.
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You do not 'know' this based on any evidence. You believe it based on the ancient tribal scripture of the Pentateuch compiled after 600 BCE based on myths dating back to the Babylonians and Sumerians,
There is no one to observe Adam and Eve nor anything compiled in the Pentateuch after 600 BCE,
Your choosing to ignore the objective observed evidence I cited based on your intentional ignorance of science and the complete lack of evidence to support your interpretation of the Bible,
Yes, people do make such decisions, but when they greatly corrupt science and evolution to make their decisions it is there responsibility to be responsible for the consequences. the same is true true for religious beliefs that result in the persecution, and attempts at ethnic cleansing of Jews.
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ElishaElijah
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They said it and you’re saying they didn’t,lol
”Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.“
Isaiah 53:10 NIV
”No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”“
John 10:18 NIV
It was God’s will and Jesus willingly died for our sin, He said it.
ElishaElijah
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You only observe from your short life span and make an interpretation from a billions of years ago.
You have no clue.
When you say creation of evolution, what does that mean exactly?
It remains that his type of thinking led to 3000 years of persecution and ethnic cleansing of Jews for over 2000 years.
There is no way you can justify this and blame it on the sciences of evolution.
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ElishaElijah
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It’s not any thinking other than you can curse yourself, you can also bring a curse on yourself and the devil will oblige. The devil is a legalist
When I read the Bible, God calls us to love Israel, pray for the peace of Jerusalem, support Israel. We do that.
ElishaElijah
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Israel has the records