ElishaElijah
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From a seed just like Genesis says… Wow, we plant them all the time, not complicated, the Bible says that and it’s confirmed by planting the seed. So where did the seed originate?
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Irony of the evolutionary belief
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Previous plants.
Do you assume each seed is individually designed by an intelligence the same way a laptop is? If not, then you admit your analogy is false.
ElishaElijah
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Your assumptions are wrong, my analogy isn’t false but does show how you avoid the question.
The original seed came from where? God created a self sustaining world and variety of living things for mankind to take care of. That’s the reality we live in.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
What question?
Chemical processes, like all life.
If you want to believe that, you can.
ElishaElijah
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Explain that one, what chemical? In the beginning there was a chemical ? Where did that come from?
What is your origin as a human being? A chemical did it is your final answer, lol
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
The elementary energy that comprises the Universe.
ElishaElijah
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Thank-you, His Name is The Lord Jesus Christ and He has life in Himself.
Your agenda is terribly paranoid without evidence or response to the questions I presented. Still waiting for a coherent objective response,. There is no echo chamber in science there is only objective verifiable evidence supporting science, and absolutely none supporting Intelligent Design or an Intelligent Designer. There in reality is not definitive truth in science or religion. Science does not claim to know the truth, but science is predictively consistent.. In terms of religious beliefs there are far to many conflicting claims of beliefs to represent any remote concept of reliable truth.
There are many natural sources of the organic chemicals necessary for the origin of life.
Science | AAAS
Now, researchers say they may have solved these paradoxes. Chemists report today that a pair of simple compounds, which would have been abundant on early Earth, can give rise to a network of simple reactions that produce the three major classes of biomolecules—nucleic acids, amino acids, and lipids—needed for the earliest form of life to get its start. Although the new work does not prove that this is how life started, it may eventually help explain one of the deepest mysteries in modern science.
"This is a very important paper," says Jack Szostak, a molecular biologist and origin-of-life researcher at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, who was not affiliated with the current research. "It proposes for the first time a scenario by which almost all of the essential building blocks for life could be assembled in one geological setting."
Also: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674987117301305
Abstract
How and where did life on Earth originate? To date, various environments have been proposed as plausible sites for the origin of life. However, discussions have focused on a limited stage of chemical evolution, or emergence of a specific chemical function of proto-biological systems. It remains unclear what geochemical situations could drive all the stages of chemical evolution, ranging from condensation of simple inorganic compounds to the emergence of self-sustaining systems that were evolvable into modern biological ones. In this review, we summarize reported experimental and theoretical findings for prebiotic chemistry relevant to this topic, including availability of biologically essential elements (N and P) on the Hadean Earth, abiotic synthesis of life's building blocks (amino acids, peptides, ribose, nucleobases, fatty acids, nucleotides, and oligonucleotides), their polymerizations to bio-macromolecules (peptides and oligonucleotides), and emergence of biological functions of replication and compartmentalization. It is indicated from the overviews that completion of the chemical evolution requires at least eight reaction conditions of (1) reductive gas phase, (2) alkaline pH, (3) freezing temperature, (4) fresh water, (5) dry/dry-wet cycle, (6) coupling with high energy reactions, (7) heating-cooling cycle in water, and (8) extraterrestrial input of life's building blocks and reactive nutrients. The necessity of these mutually exclusive conditions clearly indicates that life's origin did not occur at a single setting; rather, it required highly diverse and dynamic environments that were connected with each other to allow intra-transportation of reaction products and reactants through fluid circulation. Future experimental research that mimics the conditions of the proposed model are expected to provide further constraints on the processes and mechanisms for the origin of life.These are two of the many references that document the origins of the chemistry in the environment for the origin of life.
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ElishaElijah
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No evidence supporting intelligent design except the whole Universe, science does not claim to know the Truth but I do know the Truth. His Name is Jesus Christ. He created everything and has life in Himself, He gave you the breath of life. Since you or science doesn’t have the answer and the Bible does, with all of creation having his signature on it, I would say check mate.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I mean, if you like.
ElishaElijah
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Would you say these scientists are intelligent?There are many natural sources of the organic chemicals necessary for the origin of life.
Science | AAAS
www.science.org
Now, researchers say they may have solved these paradoxes. Chemists report today that a pair of simple compounds, which would have been abundant on early Earth, can give rise to a network of simple reactions that produce the three major classes of biomolecules—nucleic acids, amino acids, and lipids—needed for the earliest form of life to get its start. Although the new work does not prove that this is how life started, it may eventually help explain one of the deepest mysteries in modern science.
"This is a very important paper," says Jack Szostak, a molecular biologist and origin-of-life researcher at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, who was not affiliated with the current research. "It proposes for the first time a scenario by which almost all of the essential building blocks for life could be assembled in one geological setting."
ElishaElijah
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Lol brother! They have no idea what the earth was billions of years ago and all speculation and maybe’s.There are many natural sources of the organic chemicals necessary for the origin of life.
Science | AAAS
Now, researchers say they may have solved these paradoxes. Chemists report today that a pair of simple compounds, which would have been abundant on early Earth, can give rise to a network of simple reactions that produce the three major classes of biomolecules—nucleic acids, amino acids, and lipids—needed for the earliest form of life to get its start. Although the new work does not prove that this is how life started, it may eventually help explain one of the deepest mysteries in modern science.
"This is a very important paper," says Jack Szostak, a molecular biologist and origin-of-life researcher at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, who was not affiliated with the current research. "It proposes for the first time a scenario by which almost all of the essential building blocks for life could be assembled in one geological setting."
Also: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674987117301305
Abstract
How and where did life on Earth originate? To date, various environments have been proposed as plausible sites for the origin of life. However, discussions have focused on a limited stage of chemical evolution, or emergence of a specific chemical function of proto-biological systems. It remains unclear what geochemical situations could drive all the stages of chemical evolution, ranging from condensation of simple inorganic compounds to the emergence of self-sustaining systems that were evolvable into modern biological ones. In this review, we summarize reported experimental and theoretical findings for prebiotic chemistry relevant to this topic, including availability of biologically essential elements (N and P) on the Hadean Earth, abiotic synthesis of life's building blocks (amino acids, peptides, ribose, nucleobases, fatty acids, nucleotides, and oligonucleotides), their polymerizations to bio-macromolecules (peptides and oligonucleotides), and emergence of biological functions of replication and compartmentalization. It is indicated from the overviews that completion of the chemical evolution requires at least eight reaction conditions of (1) reductive gas phase, (2) alkaline pH, (3) freezing temperature, (4) fresh water, (5) dry/dry-wet cycle, (6) coupling with high energy reactions, (7) heating-cooling cycle in water, and (8) extraterrestrial input of life's building blocks and reactive nutrients. The necessity of these mutually exclusive conditions clearly indicates that life's origin did not occur at a single setting; rather, it required highly diverse and dynamic environments that were connected with each other to allow intra-transportation of reaction products and reactants through fluid circulation. Future experimental research that mimics the conditions of the proposed model are expected to provide further constraints on the processes and mechanisms for the origin of life.
These are two of the many references that document the origins of the chemistry in the environment for the origin of life.
Now, researchers say they may have solved these paradoxes. Chemists report today that a pair of simple compounds, which would have been abundant on early Earth, can give rise to a network of simple reactions that produce the three major classes of biomolecules—nucleic acids, amino acids, and lipids—needed for the earliest form of life to get its start. Although the new work does not prove that this is how life started, it may eventually help explain one of the deepest mysteries in modern science.
exchemist
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I'm not sure you need the competition bit. All you need, surely, is an environment containing some sort of challenge, so that breeding success is improved by a particular trait, don't you? So for example if the climate becomes drier, an organism that is better at conserving water will breed better than one that is not so good at doing it.
In the evolution of life they have many seedless plants that evolved to plant species with seeds. The following article is comprehensive and q bit long I hope your science is up to understanding it, The following is the summary.
Evolution of Seed Plants – Biology
pressbooks-dev.oer.hawaii.edu
Section Summary
Seed plants appeared about one million years ago, during the Carboniferous period. Two major innovations—seed and pollen—allowed seed plants to reproduce in the absence of water. The gametophytes of seed plants shrank, while the sporophytes became prominent structures and the diploid stage became the longest phase of the lifecycle. Gymnosperms became the dominant group during the Triassic. In these, pollen grains and seeds protect against desiccation. The seed, unlike a spore, is a diploid embryo surrounded by storage tissue and protective layers. It is equipped to delay germination until growth conditions are optimal. Angiosperms bear both flowers and fruit. The structures protect the gametes and the embryo during its development. Angiosperms appeared during the Mesozoic era and have become the dominant plant life in terrestrial habitats.
Your intentional ignorance of science makes your responses incomprehensible.
If you have any knowledge in Geochemistry you would know we can determine the content, environment and nature of rocks science the origin of life and before 4,0 billion years ago and today.
Your rambling monologue of an anti-science agenda. Numerous question unanswered on your part.
ElishaElijah
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You can’t know, you can only speculate, notice the language, can, may, possibly are all the code words of we have no idea, send more money.
The chemicals for the origin of life are amino acids found all through nature even in meteorites and demonstrated to form by lightning.
ElishaElijah
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From what experiment and what year was that?
Classic failing to respond based on an intentional ignorance of science.