Is 83 years old too old to be a father?

[Callisto]

I find abhorrent that a woman gets paid for giving away her own baby.
Conceived with an artificial insemination. The baby contains the 50% of her genetic heritage.

For instance, in my country maternal surrogacy is forbidden. Even if done for free. If gay couples or straight couples want a baby, they can adopt one.

Once upon a time, the ancient Romans were all in on surrogacy, ventrem locare.

 

[Estro Felino]

Once upon a time, the ancient Romans were all in on surrogacy, ventrem locare.

Ancient Romans had slaves too. Considered things.

 

[Callisto]

No, not adopted, i bore them all.

No sir, I bet they find mom quite interesting.

 

[Callisto]

Ancient Romans had slaves too. Considered things.

One could argue you still do (migrant workers).

 

[ChristineM]

No sir, I bet they find mom quite interesting.

Sir???

You have no idea and i do my best to keep interesting.

 

[Callisto]

Sir???

You have no idea and i do my best to keep interesting.

"no sir" is a colloquialism acquired during my college days. It just means "no way!" and is pronounced "NO SUH!"

 

[Nakosis]

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My view is, to each their own.

What do you think about men becoming fathers at such a late age? It seems women have also been having children at later ages, too. The article mentioned Naomi Campbell having a child at age 50.

Some might argue that it does a disservice to the child, since the older parent will die while their child is still at an early age. On the other hand, with Al Pacino and Robert Deniro, they seem well off enough that they'll probably leave enough money for the kid to go to college and get set up in life - which many younger parents are simply unable to do.

What do you think?

The only thing the human race needs to survive is to procreate.
How we get to that point doesn't matter much I suppose.

 

[Father Heathen]

I was mentioning the law of my country.

Which isn't particularly relevant or noteworthy.

 

[ChristineM]

"no sir" is a colloquialism acquired during my college days. It just means "no way!" and is pronounced "NO SUH!"

:: INFORMATIVE::

 

[Estro Felino]

Which isn't particularly relevant or noteworthy.

In the United States, where there is an absolute freedom and independence from the Government, people are free to father children at 83.
That was my point.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

IMO... Being a dad is taking your kid hiking, fishing, to car shows/drag races, playing ball with them, teaching them skills, taking them on adventures they enjoy, going to their school functions, going to their graduation, etc etc. If you're too old to do that,,, well money can't replace those quality times.

I think there's a fair bit of truth to that.
Being a dad is definitely more than 'creating a baby', and you shouldn't be trying to do one without signing up for the other.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Well...that would debunk the myth of gay parenthood...
I mean...shall a gay parent become a biological father just because he can produce sperms?

I'm kinda confused by this post.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

So there are women who rent their womanhood and maternity...I got it.

I've made this point to you before, but surrogacy and paid surrogacy are not one and the same.
Surrogacy is allowed in Australia but paid surrogacy is not.

When my sister was having trouble getting pregnant, my wife was considering offering to act as a surrogate. In no way is that 'renting their womanhood' but is rather a sacrifice for family.

You're broad brushing here.

 

[Sand Dancer]

One is too old to be a father when one is too old to produce fertile sperm and/or too old to effectively transfer those sperm to a recipient or lacks the desire or will to transfer them.

The thing is that we are living far longer than we ever have, and men continue to produce sperm, whereas women are born with the eggs they will ever have. An octogenarian is not going to be there for his children and will likely die before they reach adulthood. That is not very smart, IMO.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

One is too old to be a father when one is too old to produce fertile sperm and/or too old to effectively transfer those sperm to a recipient or lacks the desire or will to transfer them.

I say that one is too old to become a father when chances are skyrocketting that one won't even see your kid's 14th birthday due to dieing of old age.
Fatherhood is more then just depositing a sperm cell.

But that's just my opinion. I wouldn't support a law that says an 83 year old "can't have children".
Me though, I'ld never do that. I think it's irresponsible. You doom your child, knowingly, to growing up with a father.

In fact, chances are IMMENSE that your child will lose his father at an extremely difficult age (from 5 to 12).
Younger and they don't remember.
Older and they are mature enough to put it in perspective.
Between 5 and 12 is just a horrible age to lose a parent.

That's why I think it's irresponsible.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yep. An 80 year old father won't even see likely his child's graduation from college.

Or highschool.
Or even kindergarten
Or even the child's first birthday

 

[Viker]

My view is, to each their own.

That.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

In the United States, where there is an absolute freedom and independence from the Government, people are free to father children at 83.
That was my point.

Absolute freedom?
Colour me confused.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

IMO... Being a dad is taking your kid hiking, fishing, to car shows/drag races, playing ball with them, teaching them skills, taking them on adventures they enjoy, going to their school functions, going to their graduation, etc etc. If you're too old to do that,,, well money can't replace those quality times.

Totally agree.

I would say, though, that my time is more flexible now than it was when I was younger in terms of work life balance.

I spend a lot of time coaching my elder two daughters in basketball, etc. Whereas when younger I had to travel a lot for work, as I 'made my way up'.

I'm older, but still play ball myself. Older doesn't need to mean sedintary.