Is a Christian's salvation dependent on what Paul said?

[outhouse]

This people believes them all, except for the one that has been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt--the Galileo controversy, and which is the standard required for this people.

sadly people as a whole are not that bright. They will believe most anything despites facts.

people that eat dirt for a living in poor countrys cant stop breeding like rats having 10+ children and no way to feed them, they have unprotected sex when 1 in 4 has aids.

These examples go on and on and on.

 

[smokydot]

sadly people as a whole are not that bright. They will believe most anything despites facts.

I am the "people" that believes them all.

people that eat dirt for a living in poor countrys cant stop breeding like rats having 10+ children and no way to feed them, they have unprotected sex when 1 in 4 has aidse.

These examples go on and on and on.

 

[outhouse]

you need to fix that, its broken.

we know the earth is not 6000 year old, FACT
earth not flat
earth goes around the sun
many languages were before babal
no great flood
took homo sapiens more then 4.6 billion years to appear the last [200,000 years].

 

[smokydot]

you need to fix that, its broken.

We're back to belief and unbelief.
I believe the Bible, you don't.
And that's where we will have to leave it.

we know the earth is not 6000 year old, FACT
earth not flat
earth goes around the sun
many languages were before babal
no great flood
took homo sapiens more then 4.6 billion years to appear the last [200,000 years].

 

[outhouse]

We're back to belief and unbelief.
I believe the Bible, you don't.
And that's where we will have to leave it.

No there are parts of the bible I do believe.

I do not buy the fiction BS they sell, no sir I dont.

the earth is 6000 years old
the earth is flat
the sun revolves around the earth
the earth was created in 6 days
the great flood
the tower of babal
adam and eve

if the bible was written in gods word ? would he have told the followers to write down the sun revolves around the earth? maybe he could have told his son to pass on down some truths.

look the bible [if you have even read it] has many many mistakes.

it was written by man for man. end of story

 

[Dirty Penguin]

the bible [if you have even read it] has many many mistakes.

it was written by man for man. end of story

So..true....:sad:

 

[smokydot]

No there are parts of the bible I do believe.
I do not buy the fiction BS they sell, no sir I dont.

That puts you at odds with Jesus, who believed the OT was the Word of God, and lived, died and rose from the dead by it.

the earth is 6000 years old
the earth is flat
the sun revolves around the earth
the earth was created in 6 days
the great flood
the tower of babal
adam and eve
if the bible was written in gods word ? would he have told the followers to write down the sun revolves around the earth? maybe he could have told his son to pass on down some truths.
look the bible [if you have even read it] has many many mistakes.
it was written by man for man. end of story

I don't judge the Word of God, it judges me.

 

[outhouse]

That puts you at odds with Jesus, who believed the OT was the Word of God, and lived, died and rose from the dead by it.


I don't judge the Word of God, it judges me.

It is not the word of god, it is the word of man OR there would be no contradictions, myths, forgery's, geographical errors, science and medical errors.

jesus lived and died, the ressurection was added to marks cannon at a later date is a known forgery

[search historical jesus]

again written by man

 

[smokydot]

It is not the word of god, it is the word of man OR there would be no contradictions, myths, forgery's, geographical errors, science and medical errors.

None of these have any material consequences in the Word of God written.
Not to mention, 99.9% of these are based in conjecture, and are the real myths here.

jesus lived and died, the ressurection was added to marks cannon at a later date is a known forgery

Are you saying the resurrection of Jesus did not occur?
It is recorded in Matthew, Luke, John and Acts.
As long as the "forgeries" of which you speak do not materially alter the facts presented elsewhere, they are materially inconsequential.
As long as any alleged "discrepancies" make no material alterations, they are absolutely and materially inconsequential.

[search historical jesus]

Oh, yeah. . .that's an authoritative group alright.

again written by man

You are quite naive.

 

[ellenjanuary]

Without Paul, how are there Christians at all? I got my mojo from Romans, and I seem to have some mojo, and there ain't no Jew in the ol' family tree... so. Well, "lie" is a harsh term. Truth being distorted, altered, or manipulated? Every day, so... no "lie."

 

[Simplelogic]

What if he lied about his experience on the road to Damascus?

Few dare to ask this painful question. Circular logic has cemented Paul's letters into the canon which we label divine, even though it was the decision of men. Very superstitious if you ask me.

 

[Desert Snake]

Ironically, yes. Unless you want the "mystical" answer, where we assume actual apostle gospel authorship.

 

[outhouse]

which we label divine, even though it was the decision of men. Very superstitious if you ask me

This would apply to all of the NT not just Paul.

Few dare to ask this painful question

That is usually a question from not knowing your bible, because Paul himself never stated anything about the road to Damascus and his conversion. That is only in Acts.

Paul tells us his conversion came from a change a heart, a feeling from within.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

What if he lied about his experience on the road to Damascus?

What if he lied about his experience on the road to Damascus?

Your Op's question is "Is a Christian's salvation dependent upon what Paul said?" No. An authentic Christian is a sinner who has believed and obeyed what Paul teaches. The pseudomorphic(false form) 'christian' directly opposes Paul and what he teaches.
Have a good day.

 

[roger1440]

All people are required to place there trust in God, not words in a book or men.

 

[Ingledsva]

If you think about it, it is one thing to believe in a God, an all creator if you will.

It is another thing to believe what a man says who most likely never met Jesus.

If we seperate the wheat from the chaft and boil this thing down, should we really be eating pork and shell fish?

Should we be Praying to God or Jesus?

If you remove everything Paul, Luke and Mark says, is it even the same religion?

A very good question.


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[Ingledsva]

The word "apostle" is sometimes used in the NT in a general sense of "messenger"
The word apostle has a wider meaning in the letters of the Apostle Paul. It included people like himself who were not included in the 12. Paul based his apostleship, however, on the direct call of the exalted Lord, who appeared to him on the Damascus Road and on the Lord's blessing of his ministry in winning converts and establishing churches.
Jesus himself was called "the apostle" of our confession in Heb. 3:1

"on the direct call of the exalted Lord," WHAT?

Only he says it happened. It didn't.

There is a verse where the disciples were afraid of him.

We have verses that show us they did not agree with what he was teaching.

There is a verse where he says he does NOT get his teachings from the disciples. Yet he supposedly just had an encounter on the road. So - he made up what he taught?

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[Desert Snake]

A very good question.


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If someone doesn't believe in any of the tenets of Xianity, why be a "Xian". Ultimately, it's only a 'good question', if the resultant 'answer' makes sense for revising belief. Otherwise, just seems like one of those' basic' questions. Like a 'should I follow this religion' type question.

 

[Desert Snake]

What if he lied about his experience on the road to Damascus?

Wouldn't affect my beliefs.

 

[Desert Snake]

I am sure this is pure speculation. Considering Paul's huge ego it would be inconcevibale that anyone could write anything based on his writing without giving him the credit. There is no mention of Paul or Saul in the gospels.

Well, sure, the gospels must be true.