Is a Two-State Solution Still Possible?

[metis]

It seemed to me that it was not Hamas who broke the last peace treaty but Israel by continuing their illegal settlements .

or the fact that Israel refused to remove a trade embargo.
No effort to make peace at all

It makes not one iota of difference at all to Hamas, Hezbollah, nor their supporters. Israel has withdrawn from areas when it was promised peace, allowed for much freer movement and trade when it was promised peace, and got no peace when it did both. How many times do you expect us to be lied to and still have hope for peace?

BTW, trade has been loosened up in recent months since the new government in Egypt no longer is doing Hamas' bidding.

 

[Kirran]

It makes not one iota of difference at all to Hamas, Hezbollah, nor their supporters. Israel has withdrawn from areas when it was promised peace, allowed for much freer movement and trade when it was promised peace, and got no peace when it did both. How many times do you expect us to be lied to and still have hope for peace?

BTW, trade has been loosened up in recent months since the new government in Egypt no longer is doing Hamas' bidding.

How do you justify the continued building of illegal settlements?

 

[metis]

I have SUCH a strong feeling I'm going to disagree with this, but pray tell

"Arab" was the name of a tribal group near the southern part of the Arabian peninsula a bit north of the current country of Yemen. What happened is that when Mohammed dictated what became know as the Qu'ran, it was written in Arabic. As Islam spread, the term "Arab" also spread and became widely used even though it had next to nothing to do with the original tribe.

So, most "Arabs" are not actually Arabs.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Damn you Hamas. Their rockets makes us built illegal houses, steal lands, kill thousands of people each time war breaks, violate all international laws.

 

[metis]

How do you justify the continued building of illegal settlements?

I've long had been opposed to them being built as a hindrance to peace, but came to a conclusion that having them built in eastern Jerusalem area can be justified both legally and strategically. Most are on purchased land, and the idea of having a Palestinian capital in Jerusalem is nightmarish strategically. I would not accept the latter under any circumstance or under any promise, but then that's Israel's decision to make.

 

[metis]

Damn you Hamas. Their rockets makes us built illegal houses, steal lands, kill thousands of people each time war breaks, violate all international laws.

When you decide you really don't want war and are willing to work for peace, make sure you let us know, ok?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

When you decide you really don't want war and are willing to work for peace, make sure you let us know, ok?

No thank you, i dont believe in peace with state terrorism.

 

[Kirran]

"Arab" was the name of a tribal group near the southern part of the Arabian peninsula a bit north of the current country of Yemen. What happened is that when Mohammed dictated what became know as the Qu'ran, it was written in Arabic. As Islam spread, the term "Arab" also spread and became widely used even though it had next to nothing to do with the original tribe.

So, most "Arabs" are not actually Arabs.

In the same way I'm not British, because my father was born in Argentina

I've long had been opposed to them being built as a hindrance to peace, but came to a conclusion that having them built in eastern Jerusalem area can be justified both legally and strategically.

Hmm. Go on.

 

[metis]

In the same way I'm not British, because my father was born in Argentina

Not the same, but I'll cut you some slack since you seem like a nice person. OK, a semi-nice person.

Hmm. Go on.

Not interested. On one of the threads they've gone into some detail on this dealing with the A,B,C zones, so you can probably find that easy enough. I don't know the details, so I'll let those that know more of that legal stuff do the talking.

 

[Kirran]

Not the same, but I'll cut you some slack since you seem like a nice person. OK, a semi-nice person.

I think ethnicity is a matter of self-identification.

No, it's not the same as British, as that's a nationality. But either way.

Not interested. On one of the threads they've gone into some detail on this dealing with the A,B,C zones, so you can probably find that easy enough. I don't know the details, so I'll let those that know more of that legal stuff do the talking.

Fair enough so.

 

[metis]

I think ethnicity is a matter of self-identification.

Maybe.

In my introductory anthropology class, I would ask the students how many of them were Italian? [wait to see how many hands go up], German? [hands], Italian? [hands], American? [hands]. But with the latter, it would throw most of the students off guard, so the hands went up only very gradually.

The point being that when we're in our country, we normally don't answer "British" is you're in Britain or "American" is you're in America (ya, I know I shouldn't be using the name "American", but cut me some slack here, will ya-- it was just a demonstration).

 

[Kirran]

Maybe.

In my introductory anthropology class, I would ask the students how many of them were Italian? [wait to see how many hands go up], German? [hands], Italian? [hands], American? [hands]. But with the latter, it would throw most of the students off guard, so the hands went up only very gradually.

The point being that when we're in our country, we normally don't answer "British" is you're in Britain or "American" is you're in America (ya, I know I shouldn't be using the name "American", but cut me some slack here, will ya-- it was just a demonstration).

True, but I think this is a language thing - in US usage, the term Italian is often shorthand for Italian American, and so forth.

It's an ethnicity. They're American, what kind of American, the Italian kind, the Irish kind, the mixed English-Russian-Vietnamese-Sudanese kind.

 

[metis]

True, but I think this is a language thing - in US usage, the term Italian is often shorthand for Italian American, and so forth..

If you call my wife an "Italian", she'll tell ya in no uncertain terms that she's "Sicilian" while at the same time measuring your foot for cement shoes.

 

[Kirran]

If you call my wife an "Italian", she'll tell ya in no uncertain terms that she's "Sicilian" while at the same time measuring your foot for cement shoes.

Well then that's what she is

The cement shoes is a little grim.

 

[nazz]

Recently, Clayton Swisher, director of investigative journalism at Al Jazeera, said words to the effect that a two-state solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is now impossible. However, he gave no reasons why he believes that other than to state that very few people actually involved in the issue still believe that a two-state solution is possible. Do you think he's right that a two-state solution is no longer possible? Why or why not?

If a two-state solution is no longer possible, what becomes of Israel? What becomes of the Palestinians?

A two state solution will only be possible when the majority of Arabs give up the idea of driving the Jews into the sea.

 

[metis]

The cement shoes is a little grim.

But only for a short while.

 

[Kirran]

A two state solution will only be possible when the majority of Arabs give up the idea of driving the Jews into the sea.

Any kind of solution requires this.

Aside from actually driving the Jews into the sea, but that's hardly a peaceful solution.

 

[Kirran]

But only for a short while.

Well this has taken a turn.

 

[CMike]

Recently, Clayton Swisher, director of investigative journalism at Al Jazeera, said words to the effect that a two-state solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is now impossible. However, he gave no reasons why he believes that other than to state that very few people actually involved in the issue still believe that a two-state solution is possible. Do you think he's right that a two-state solution is no longer possible? Why or why not?

If a two-state solution is no longer possible, what becomes of Israel? What becomes of the Palestinians?

No. The reason for this is because the arab governments don't recognize Israel's right to exist and make it clear that they want to destroy it.

Israel is too small to give away parts of the little land they have for vague promises of peace that never come to fruition.

The arab settlers can either try to gain legal residency in Israel or go back to their homelands of Jordan and Egypt.

 

[CMike]

It's absurd to call that a war, it's an occupation with some resistance.

Fair enough, but groups like the Kahanists certainly worsen the situation, as does the entire concept of ethnic nationalism.

It's the arabs doing the occupying.

 

[Kirran]

The arab settlers can either try to gain legal residency in Israel or go back to their homelands of Jordan and Egypt.

Much the same way the Israeli settlers can go back to Germany and Russia and Ethiopia.

i.e. they can't, because it's ridiculous.

Actually, that's less ridiculous, and still very ridiculous.