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Is America a Police state?

WyattDerp

WyattDerp

Active Member
emails and Web surfing scanned as a precaution against cyber attacks
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Say what?!

Anyone who is actually saying "cyber attack" with straight face is a complete clueless tool out to make a buck of other clueless tools, and then there's the fact that "scanning emails and web surfing" does exactly zero to predict or prevent intrusion. I'd love to hear technical arguments to the contrary.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Those wacky northern police states.....
Douglas Bartlett sues after suspension for showing knife to students - UPI.com
CHICAGO, April 18 (UPI) -- A Chicago teacher's lawsuit alleges he was suspended for showing his second graders a pocket knife "as part of a curriculum-mandated 'tool discussion.'"
Douglas Bartlett, who was suspended without pay from Washington Irving Elementary School during the 2011-2012 school year, filed a federal lawsuit against Chicago School District No. 299 and principal Valeria Newell, the Courthouse News Service reported Thursday.
The suit calls the suspension of Bartlett, a 17-year veteran of the school district, a case of "overzealous application of political correctness."
"Plaintiff, a school teacher, showed to his students a pocket knife, as part of a curriculum-mandated 'tool discussion,'" the lawsuit states. "Other garden-variety tools plaintiff used in the discussion were a box cutter, various wrenches, screwdrivers, and pliers. As a result of showing a pocket knife, plaintiff was charged with bringing a weapon to school, and received a four-day suspension without pay. Plaintiff sues for money damages and to have this suspension expunged from his record."
The suit alleges Bartlett's Fourth Amendment rights were violated when he was given the penalty.
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I wonder how the school handles cooks in the kitchen using even bigger knives?
Anyway, what struck me even more than the PC aversion to anything suggesting a weapon was the harsh reaction by the school.
Why not just tell the teacher, "Don't bring a knife to school again.", instead of suspension without pay?
 
SpaceMosher789

SpaceMosher789

New Member
I'm glad some people in this thread are shedding light on things like the DHS stockpiling ammo, indefinite detention without due process, drone warfare, american kill lists, government spying without warrants, etc. instead of just taking a case-by-case look at police officer's misdeeds. It's also encouraging to me that this thread is one of the first things you see under the "North American Politics" folder.
 
ZooGirl02

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
I am increasingly of the opinion that we are living in a police state and I really do not like it. That's just my own opinion.
 
ZooGirl02

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
You aren't alone.
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Yeah I didn't figure that I was. I didn't read much past the first page of the thread but it seemed like others also have this belief. I also visit another forum on a different website where it seems like others also believe the United States has become a police state or is at least becoming one.
 
Aquitaine

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
I kind of see it as an inevitability. All nations eventually collapse, and this is just some of the decay to help set the rot. :shrug:

At the same time, China's economic success will gradually see a greater Middle Class, who will (in time) start demanding more and more rights, along with more civil liberties.

One side of the see-saw goes up, the other goes down.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Hinkle: Commit any felonies lately? - Richmond Times Dispatch: Bart Hinkle
In addition to the primary case reported in the article, I found this interesting.....
I broke the law yesterday,” writes George Mason economics professor Alex Tabarrok, “and I probably will break the law tomorrow. Don’t mistake me, I have done nothing wrong. I don’t even know what laws I have broken. … It’s hard for anyone to live today without breaking the law. Doubt me? Have you ever thrown out some junk mail that … was addressed to someone else? That’s a violation of federal law punishable by up to five years in prison.” Tabarrok notes that lawyer Harvey Silverglate thinks the typical American commits “Three Felonies a Day” — the title of Silverglate’s book on the subject.
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I saw this first hand as a residential landlord in The People's Republic Of Ann Arbor, MI. It was impossible to obey conflicting Fair Housing Laws, Zoning Laws, The City Human Rights Ordinance, & the Housing Code. Moreover, property owners & managers were held liable for some crimes of tenants under the Housing Code.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I think next time someone asks me why I want to leave this country, probably for the rest of my life (or at least until things here clear up), I am going to direct them to this thread.
 
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