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Is America a Police state?

Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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Me? I think the police state thing comes & goes here. By law any president or governor can declare Martial Law in response to any disaster at their discretion. The US Constitution allows police officers (not security guards) to arrest any citizen for up to 24 hours without saying why. Only a few people, such as ambassadors, are immune to that. It all comes down to how well citizens are being educated about freedoms, because the police come from the citizenry. If they stop believing in freedom, then we have a police problem. Like I said, it comes in and out of style, but usually the police are very decent. You can walk up to a police officer and ask for directions, for instance. You can even ask for a ride. Its probably a bad idea to harass them, however.

Many police have started wearing personal video cameras. I'm not sure what to think about that, yet. All the more reason to wear clean underwear.
 
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Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Brickjectivity said:
Me? I think the police state thing comes & goes here. By law any president or governor can declare Martial Law in response to any disaster at their discretion. The US Constitution allows police officers (not security guards) to arrest any citizen for up to 24 hours without saying why. Only a few people, such as ambassadors, are immune to that. It all comes down to how well citizens are being educated about freedoms, because the police come from the citizenry. If they stop believing in freedom, then we have a police problem. Like I said, it comes in and out of style, but usually the police are very decent. You can walk up to a police officer and ask for directions, for instance. You can even ask for a ride. Its probably a bad idea to harass them, however.

Many police have started wearing personal video cameras. I'm not sure what to think about that, yet. All the more reason to wear clean underwear.
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Speaking of harassing the cops.....
Univ. police reviewing officers

This college kid tried to push their buttons, & it worked, seducing them to trample his rights.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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This one is particularly gross!
Angel and Ashley Dobbs are suing Texas troopers after shocking BODY CAVITY search that was caught on tape | Mail Online

Two Texas women are suing after state troopers subjected them to a humiliating and invasive 'roadside body cavity search' that was caught on video.
Female trooper Kellie Helleson is seen in the footage aggressively searching the private parts of Angel Dobbs, 38, and her niece, Ashley Dobbs, 24, in
front of passing cars.
The women, who claim the trooper used the same rubber glove for both of them, were initially stopped by Helleson's colleague David Farrell on State
Highway 161 near Irving after he saw one of them throw a cigarette butt out the window.
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PassionFruit53

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I think Americans have much to be thankful for.

In comparison with China, America is a great place. In China there are huge punishments for even small mistakes. The ones who speak against the CCP get jailed and tortured, the government can force you to move out of your home, many people simply have no human rights at all.

In USA, the democracy is the best in the world. Americans have freedom of speech and freedom to stand and criticize the government.

Over the years, I have read Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence and Thomas Paine's Common Sense from the Internet. These documents are banned in China but I took a risk to see them.

When I read this the first time, I almost began to cry. It means so much that ideas are free. That people can equal, with the rights. In China, we must recognize that we must not be afraid of different opinions, because someone might say, they have a problem, but that does not mean you can not let them speak.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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PassionFruit53 said:
I think Americans have much to be thankful for.
In comparison with China, America is a great place. In China there are huge punishments for even small mistakes. The ones who speak against the CCP get jailed and tortured, the government can force you to move out of your home, many people simply have no human rights at all.
In USA, the democracy is the best in the world. Americans have freedom of speech and freedom to stand and criticize the government.
Over the years, I have read Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence and Thomas Paine's Common Sense from the Internet. These documents are banned in China but I took a risk to see them.
When I read this the first time, I almost began to cry. It means so much that ideas are free. That people can equal, with the rights. In China, we must recognize that we must not be afraid of different opinions, because someone might say, they have a problem, but that does not mean you can not let them speak.
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Yours is a valuable perspective, & I agree. My title is deliberately provocative, in order to attract
interest in watching our government. They are prone to chipping away at rights we value.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

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Revoltingest said:
My title is deliberately provocative, in order to attract
interest in watching our government. They are prone to chipping away at rights we value.
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Yep....and while the "feds" have their issues...I must point out, like I've done in other threads, that much, not all, of our problems with government reside at the state and local level. Your video in the opening post is a prime example of that. My recent video addition furthers that sentiment.....and there's so much more out there. It's happening at every level....from the local cop to the state legislature (see: Michigan and others)....
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

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Revoltingest said:
Criminy!
What an ironic location for such thuggery.
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And I'm still left scratching my head as to what law did they actually break......I'm here wondering if I were there with my wife could we actually be arrested for holding hands, hugging each other and giving each other a kiss......would they arrest a mother and her child if the child started dancing because he was bored...:shrug:
 
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Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Dirty Penguin said:
And I'm still left scratching my head as to what law did they actually break......I'm here wondering if I were there with my wife could we actually be arrested for holding hands, hugging each other and giving each other a kiss......would they arrest a mother and her child if the child started dancing because he was bored...:shrug:
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Apparently you could be arrested. Much of the time cops will arrest those who merely offend them, & then release
them without being charged, hiding the illegality of the arrests & summary punishment behind plausible error or
even generosity (letting the "perp" go). There is no real monitoring or enforcement of this RICO behavior, but
wouldn't it be nice if cops were prosecuted for civil rights violations? As a landlord, I'd could suffer a $100,000 fine
& be sentenced to take a fair housing training course if I made an offensive remark about a protected group.
Cops should be held to at least this high a standard.
 
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Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

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Revoltingest said:
Apparently you could be arrested. Much of the time cops will arrest those who merely offend them, & then release
them without being charged, hiding the illegality of the arrests & summary punishment behind plausible error or
even generosity (letting the "perp" go). There is no real monitoring or enforcement of this RICO behavior, but
wouldn't it be nice if cops were prosecuted for civil rights violations? As a landlord, I'd could suffer a $100,000 fine
& be sentenced to take a fair housing training course if I made an offensive remark about a protected group.
Cops should be held to at least this high a standard.
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Agreed....:yes:
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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It isn't a new trend, but it is becoming enshrined in law that any gov thug who is offended by a joke may interpret the
joke literally as a pretext to punish the offender. In this case, the guy jokingly referred to his jar of peanut butter
(which TSA was closely inspecting for a fuse or something) as an "explosive". Thus began his arrest & jailing.

Ironically, the cops gave him an 'explosive' sandwich (chunky, I hope) while he was in the pokey.

» Man Sues TSA For $5 Million Following Peanut Butter Arrest Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

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Revoltingest said:
Cornering Dorner in someone's home, cops exhort to "burn the f****** house down".
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Christopher Dorner Shootout - Cops say "Burn It Down" - YouTube
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Now I'm loath to defend the vile institution that is the LAPD... and I absolutely don't put it past them to try to kill someone intentionally... but, in this case I have to reserve judgement (at least in part).

The disembodied shouts of a guy hopped up on adrenaline and rage are not proof of intent.

*edit: having said that, I'm open to and wont be surprised by further evidence that would show it was intentional.

wa:do
 
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