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Is America a Police state?

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
And here I've been saying that the third is out-dated and was more for the time and culture in which it was penned.
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So you're the one at fault! Once you tell those government types that a
constitutional right is outdated, they think this is a green light to violate it.
What is it with cops who love to viciously swear at us, but will beat the cr**
out of us for sassing them? It's such a cliche around here, that any large
flashlight is called a "Malice Green".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malice_Green
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Revoltingest said:
Snitch or go to jail....
Linchpin for Obama’s plan to predict future leakers unproven, isn’t likely to work, experts say | McClatchy
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How are we ever supposed to trust those in positions of "authority" when they are so ready, eager, and willing to lie to us. It's like how police officers are encouraged to get people to comply and cooperate with them by lying to them and telling them things will be far worse for them than what they will likely be. "Voluntary compliance" is what this one police training manual I acquired calls it. To quote this book:
Patrol officers have a primary goal during their tour of duty, and that is to CONTROL (traffic, people, situations, etc.). The best way to control is through "voluntary compliance." Techniques for voluntary compliance require the officer to verbally convince people that "going along with the program" helps them and is in the best interest (i.e. "If I have to arrest you, your vehicle will be towed, you will miss work, and you will have to post bond." These are financial incentives to cooperate).
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So even from the start those ******** are trained to be lying, scheming, scumbags. Of course I wouldn't expect a cop to be a legal expert, as that is not what they trained for, but how they love to pretend they are and terrify the unaware with threats of how bad things are going to get for those who do not grovel before their almighty badge.
There are some good cops, such as a few of the county sheriffs out here who do actually go out of there way to help someone. But I know more people that have been hassled and harassed by the po-po than those who haven't. Even 60 year-old men with advanced Alzhiemers are not safe from police brutality.

Peru police Tase Alzheimer patient » Local News » Kokomo Tribune; Kokomo, Indiana

PERU — At least one Peru police officer is on administrative leave after a 64-year-old nursing home resident with advanced-stage Alzheimer’s was Tased three times. Police said he wouldn’t obey their commands.
Three Peru officers and a Dukes EMS unit arrived at Miller’s Merry Manor Nursing Home just before 6 a.m. Sunday after staff reported resident James Howard was combative and struck several employees.
According to police reports, Officers Gregory Martin and Jeremy Brindle entered Howard’s room in the locked-down Alzheimer’s unit and told him to enter the ambulance.
When Howard did not respond to commands, Martin unholstered his Taser and told him he would be Tased if he didn’t comply.
Brindle attempted to gain control of Howard’s arms to restrain him, and a struggle ensued. When Howard turned towards Brindle, Martin then Tased him, which caused Howard to drop to the floor.
Howard was then Tased by Martin two more times while on the ground after ordering him multiple times to roll onto his stomach. Police said Howard resisted constraint and attempted to fight them while on the floor.
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Now, the city did launch an investigation, and fired the cop. But, a judge from the court of another county ordered the city of Peru to rehire to cop, and Peru is appealing that decision.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Man, 34, Claims LAPD Officers Used Excessive Force During Bike Stop « CBS Los Angeles
PLAYA DEL REY (CBSLA.com) — A 34-year-old man is recovering Monday from several injuries he said he sustained from a violent encounter with Los Angeles Police Department officers late last week. Brian Cisneros told KCAL9’s Suraya Fadel that he was riding his bike to his job at Ralphs in Marina del Rey Friday night when he claims he was approached by two LAPD Pacific Division officers at Ida and Redwood avenues.
“The doors flew open, and the lights were on me. They drew their guns down, and they just attacked me. And they threw me on the floor, and they started stomping my face in,” he said.
Cisneros added, “They choked me out and all that, and then they threw me on their hood.”
The alleged victim said he never resisted the officers.
“(I thought) I’m gonna die, I’m never going to see my kids again,” he said.
At the end of the ordeal, Cisneros said the officers cited him “for no lights after hours of darkness.”
Cisneros said he went to the hospital the next morning, where he was treated for a dislocated shoulder and a fractured elbow, among other injuries.
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BlandOatmeal

Active Member
Revoltingest said:
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Your thoughts about recording the acts of public 'servants'?
Has anyone had a bad experience with law enforcement?
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I'm 65 years old, and have lived much of my life in inner city neighborhoods. I was a radical and hippie in the early 1970s, and was even arrested; but have never had any "bad experiences" with law enforcement officers -- neither civilian nor military. They have always treated me with respect, even when they (understandably) had guns drawn...

EXCEPT for TSA personnel. The people involved tend to be humorless, to say the least; but my main beef with them is that they even EXIST. Bush and Obama have been such utter failures in foreign policy, it seems we've taken to fighting our wars here in America -- with grandmothers and infants all being suspected of being "terrorist" enemies.

Two years ago, I travelled to Red China, a country cited as having "human rights" problems; but their entry and security checks were downright friendly compared to the purgatory that Average Americans have to go through every time they fly. China got itself a bad name years ago, but they're getting better. We, on the other hand, seem to be going from bad to worse in terms of a draconian government running roughshod over its citizens.

The TSA folks are doing a tough job; but of course, if they didn't have that work, most of them would have to join the ever-growing ranks of the jobless and homeless. Still, they behave pretty decently, given what they're expected to do.

By God's grace, I have never belonged to a religious group that made it to the government's sheet list, like the Branch Dravidians. The Waco Massacre stands out as America's greatest human rights nightmare in recent times; but most Americans choose to ignore it. It was a warning to all of us, not to stray too far from the "acceptable", especially in the home country of a sitting President (Waco was in the same county as George H. W. Bush's ranch in Crawford).

OK, so we're a police state. It's nice that I can still say so -- I think :help: . God keeps those who trust in Him. May he bless and keep the Czar, FAR AWAY FROM US!
 
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ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I don't like to think that it is, but then I heard the story of a boy who was suspended and may be expelled for playing with a soft air gun in his own yard at home.
 
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Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
BlandOatmeal said:
I'm 65 years old, and have lived much of my life in inner city neighborhoods. I was a radical and hippie in the early 1970s, and was even arrested; but have never had any "bad experiences" with law enforcement officers -- neither civilian nor military. They have always treated me with respect, even when they (understandably) had guns drawn...

EXCEPT for TSA personnel. The people involved tend to be humorless, to say the least; but my main beef with them is that they even EXIST. Bush and Obama have been such utter failures in foreign policy, it seems we've taken to fighting our wars here in America -- with grandmothers and infants all being suspected of being "terrorist" enemies.

Two years ago, I travelled to Red China, a country cited as having "human rights" problems; but their entry and security checks were downright friendly compared to the purgatory that Average Americans have to go through every time they fly. China got itself a bad name years ago, but they're getting better. We, on the other hand, seem to be going from bad to worse in terms of a draconian government running roughshod over its citizens.

The TSA folks are doing a tough job; but of course, if they didn't have that work, most of them would have to join the ever-growing ranks of the jobless and homeless. Still, they behave pretty decently, given what they're expected to do.
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See, the problem with this is that the same people who ***** about the heightened security at airports are the same people who are going to blame the government and president if something does go wrong. This isn't to say that I think our current security requirements are necessary or perfect, but our government really is in a catch-22.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Falvlun said:
See, the problem with this is that the same people who ***** about the heightened security at airports are the same people who are going to blame the government and president if something does go wrong. This isn't to say that I think our current security requirements are necessary or perfect, but our government really is in a catch-22.
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I call straw man on this. As one who decries the ridiculous airport & border security measures, I'm not in your invented group.
Security goons who abuse travelers & obsess over matters unrelated to security does not make us safer.
 
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Awoon

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My nephew came from Wash DC this morning on Greyhound bus. Last night the bus was stopped in Maryland and searched by Police (six cop cars) about 1 am. They woke up the passengers made them get out of the bus and went through their luggage. No contraband found. Cops said it was routine. Any one ever hear of this?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Awoon said:
My nephew came from Wash DC this morning on Greyhound bus. Last night the bus was stopped in Maryland and searched by Police (six cop cars) about 1 am. They woke up the passengers made them get out of the bus and went through their luggage. No contraband found. Cops said it was routine. Any one ever hear of this?
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I haven't heard about doing it to buses yet, but now the cops hassle anyone they want
at any time without cause. We're so multicultural....it isn't just minorities these days.
 
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Awoon

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
I haven't heard about doing it to buses yet, but now the cops hassle anyone they want
at any time without cause. We're so multicultural....it isn't just minorities these days.
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My nephew was shocked. He video taped the police when they boarded the bus and woke up passengers. BTW he is studying Law at Georgetown in DC, so he will have some good talks with his professors when he gets back. 4th amendment violations?
 
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