Is atheism a belief?

[ecco]

I've never met an atheists that said they needed to be an atheist. Yet I think personal need is the driving factor for both camps.

More unsupported, unsupportable BS. You keep posting nonsense, I'll keep calling you out.

 

[Dawnofhope]

So Ballulah existed and wrote a whole bunch of stuff that Muslims didn't like. David Koresh existed and wrote a whole bunch of stuff that Christians didn't like. You believe Ballulh when he says he is a messenger of god. You don't believe Koresh when he says he is a messenger of god.

Blind Faith.

Wow. You start a thread, and when questioned about it, you shut down the conversations with: I have my reasons.

Actually, based on your many posts, it's pretty clear that you really don't have any deep profound reasons. It's just one more example of you posting BS and then stuttering when confronted. It's really getting boring.

We've talked before. I have no problem with atheism but I do with your antitheism. I find you rude and disrespectful.

 

[Trailblazer]

You believe Ballulh when he says he is a messenger of god. You don't believe Koresh when he says he is a messenger of god.

We believe Baha'u'llah because He had good fruits and we do not believe Koresh because he had bad fruits. All you have to do is look at their lives. It is as easy as falling off a log to differentiate a false prophet from a true prophet.

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: FRUIT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Blind Faith.

No, just the ability to see the fruits of the prophets.

 

[Trailblazer]

I've never met an atheists that said they needed to be an atheist. Or many theists, either, for that matter. Yet I think personal need is the driving factor for both camps.

I have no personal need to be a Baha'i. I am a Baha'i only because I believe it is the truth from God.
If I cared about my personal needs I would be out of here so fast you would not even see my shadow.

I could be off sunning myself on a beach somewhere, instead I am on forums posting almost exclusively to atheists.

 

[j1i]

Here we have yet another theist who needs to pretend he understands atheists.

I became an atheist around age ten. I doubt that happened because ...

• I reached a point of desire that came from feeling feels bored of my lifestyle and routine
• I wanted to play other roles, other actions, and another truth
• I had an absence of the excitement element in life that causes depression

If you really wanted to know, you could have just asked. Nope. That wouldn't fit your agenda.

Every child is born on instinct
You find signs of a creator in it in energy and fingerprints
No one is born an atheist
Atheism The idea of interference in the mind of man arises after the brain has performed miserable failed calculations reflecting the personality of the individual who wants to lie down

In short, the world refused to reject the facts and proceed to other convictions

No one is born an atheist

 

[ecco]

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in any god or gods. Lacking a belief that something definitely does exist is not the same as claiming that the something definitely does not exist.

For example, lets say we have two people Man A and Man B who both enter a room that neither has ever been in before. In the middle of this room on a table is a large jar filled to capacity with various sized marbles. Man A looks at the jar and then states: "I believe that there are exactly 448 marbles in that jar, no more and no less." He then turns to Man B and asked: "Do you also believe that there are exactly 448 marbles in this jar, no more and no less?"

If Man B looks at the jar and thinks, there isn't sufficient evidence for me to believe that there are exactly 448 marbles in that jar then states: "No, I do not believe that there are exactly 448 marbles in that jar, no more and no less."

Now, did Man B just claim that it is impossible for there to be 448 marbles in the jar? Obviously not. He isn't stating that it's impossible for there to be that number of marbles in the jar, only that he doesn't have sufficient reason to believe that there are exactly 448 marbles in the jar.

So when Man A says to Man B: I believe that there is definitely a creator god being," then asks, "Do you also definitely believe that there is a creator god being?" And Man B responds, "No, I do not definitely believe that there is a creator god being," he is ALSO not claiming that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a creator god being to exists, he is ONLY stating there there isn't sufficient evidence for him to conclude that definitely IS a creator god being.

Let's say a man enters a room in which there are over 1000 jars.
He looks in one of the jars and says: "There is a white marble in this jar. It is the only jar with a white marble."
A different man enters the room and looks at a different jar. He says: "There is a white marble in this jar. It is the only jar with a white marble."
The first man says "You are wrong. Only my jar has a white marble."

This goes on and on with many people entering the room and looking into jars.

Finally, AnotherMan, having heard the assertions, says to all the men: That's easy to settle. Just show the white marble.
All the men respond: "I can't show the marble. I can't even see the marble. I just believe there is a white marble in my jar."

AnotherMan has sufficient evidence to conclude that there is no white marble in any of the jars.

 

[ecco]

Instinct that the old fathers knew God

I am talking about a whole human chain
I hope you expand your mind and understand clearly the way

I understand. Obviously you don't want to accept the reality of religious beliefs.


Your Sunni parents indoctrinated you into Sunni Islam from before you could even walk. In the next town over, another infant was indoctrinated into Shia Islam before he could even walk. Someday, one of you may kill the other because of these indoctrinated beliefs.

5000 miles away some of the posters in this forum were indoctrinated into Jehovas Witnesses from before they could walk. In the next town over, another child is baptized in a Catholic Church.

Occasionally some stray from their indoctrinated beliefs and join other similar groups like Bahai or Scientology.

There is your endless whole human chain.

 

[ecco]

Do you want to say that everyone invents atheism from himself after life experiences
Or is it just a choice because it is influenced by the ideas of others

No one invents atheism. It is a position one arrives at when one realizes how nonsensical religious beliefs are.

 

[ecco]

So, are you saying that you might not be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed?

Where did I say that? If you want to enter the conversation try to do it without resorting to strawmen.

 

[firedragon]

Source?

Pew data set 2010.

 

[ecco]

Every child is born on instinct
You find signs of a creator in it in energy and fingerprints
No one is born an atheist
Atheism The idea of interference in the mind of man arises after the brain has performed miserable failed calculations reflecting the personality of the individual who wants to lie down

In short, the world refused to reject the facts and proceed to other convictions

No one is born an atheist

You can keep repeating that until Allah calls you. It will still not be true.

You were not born Sunni Muslim. You, like everyone else was born with an empty highly receptive brain. You were indoctrinated Sunni. You went from the innocence of nothing to the arrogance of Sunni Muslim because that's what you were taught.

It's easy to prove.
Don't you agree that most Sunnis were born to and raised by Sunn's?
Don't you agree that most Shia were born to and raised by Shias?
Don't you agree that most Catholics were born to and raised by Catholics?
Don't you agree that most JW were born to and raised by JW?

Children who are severely indoctrinated usually remain in the faith of their parents. For children who are less severely indoctrinated, some throw off the cloak of darkness and see the light of rational thinking.

 

[ecco]

Source?

Pew data set 2010.

I guess you want me to look at everything published by Pew in 2010. You made the assertion:

Yep. There are 11% atheists in the United States who said that they believe in the existence of a God.

Back it up. Don't expect me to do it for you. I'll support my assertions.

 

[firedragon]

I guess you want me to look at everything published by Pew in 2010. You made the assertion:

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Back it up. Don't expect me to do it for you. I'll support my assertions.

Alright brother. Negate it.
Cheers.

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said: So, are you saying that you might not be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed?

ecco said: Where did I say that? If you want to enter the conversation try to do it without resorting to strawmen.

PureX said: the atheist believes that he is and would be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed.

ecco said: That's a lot of self-serving nonsense. It's also untrue.
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If it is untrue that the atheist believes that he is and would be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed, that means it is true that the atheist believes that he is and would be incapable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed.

So not a straw man.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yep. There are 11% atheists in the United States who said that they believe in the existence of a God. I was only trying to clarify if its statistics that was meant by that statement.

Atheists by definition do not believe in the existence of a God.
Can you cite these statistics with a link?

 

[j1i]

I understand. Obviously you don't want to accept the reality of religious beliefs.


Your Sunni parents indoctrinated you into Sunni Islam from before you could even walk. In the next town over, another infant was indoctrinated into Shia Islam before he could even walk. Someday, one of you may kill the other because of these indoctrinated beliefs.

5000 miles away some of the posters in this forum were indoctrinated into Jehovas Witnesses from before they could walk. In the next town over, another child is baptized in a Catholic Church.

Occasionally some stray from their indoctrinated beliefs and join other similar groups like Bahai or Scientology.

There is your endless whole human chain.

It is not important for me to let others practice the teachings of Islam
Or try to persuade them to Islam
I am only interested in the subject of true faith in God and how we reach God and who is God
I presented the idea of faith primitively as close to instinct
We all know that the palm (hand is a writing tool)
We find the name of God referred to in many signs
Buddha's hand Krishna's hand and the name of God in English and Arabic (for Muslims)
may this help
god word arabic and english
These signs indicate the name of God

Imagine that all these civilizations put this symbol in one way or another
This is possible to give you evidence of the existence of the founder of this universe

If we use the voting process, you will find that atheists less than one percent

So I saw
Signs of others' behavior indicate a majority on God's name
You are free and may not be blamed (Until you see the truth) because of the many religions and failed ideas that frustrated you as a young boy at the beginning of life

Thank you my dear brother
I wish you success

Note
I am not here to spread Islam
But I am here to present the truth of my faith and defend it

 

[firedragon]

Atheists by definition do not believe in the existence of a God.
Can you cite these statistics with a link?

Of course atheists dont by definition believe in the existence of a God. That is the meaning of atheism in its essence. Everyone knows this and must know.

But you should also know that people identify themselves with these things. Do you really believe all of those people who identify themselves as theists all believe in God? No. Its their identification. thats a belonging to a particular community or a belief system. A group of people. In your heart you may believe something else. And research is a private matter based on both qualitative and quantitative studies. So these things come out. Although one must consider the error margins.

People identify themselves as atheists while a few of them believe in a divine being like God. Just that they dont go telling the whole world. Its what they believe.

Mate. Go to the pew research website. You can download various datasets for your own analysis.

Cheers.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I wanted to give the difference in meaning between atheism and polytheism
Only an example was developed (jesus)
It is my generous participation to give my thoughts no more
Don't thank me for that, my friend Haha

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A Muslim majority does not mean that we are an undeveloped society
We are progressing more than New Zealand in human terms
We love Christians even if you see how we care for our Christian community more than Muslims too
Haha Believe?

Hi @j1i ,

I was looking only at the differences of religious affiliation between our countries. It was not intended as a statement about the respective levels of socioeconomic development. It is good to have a different cultural perspective.

 

[Dawnofhope]

FWIW I found a Pew study that identified 8% of atheists believing in God or some type of universal spirit.

Although the literal definition of “atheist” is “a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods,” according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, 8% of those who call themselves atheists also say they believe in God or a universal spirit.

10 facts about atheists

 

[Dawnofhope]

So when Man A says to Man B: I believe that there is definitely a creator god being," then asks, "Do you also definitely believe that there is a creator god being?" And Man B responds, "No, I do not definitely believe that there is a creator god being," he is ALSO not claiming that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a creator god being to exists, he is ONLY stating there there isn't sufficient evidence for him to conclude that definitely IS a creator god being.

It sounds remarkably similar to theism then! By that definition I too am an atheist. Perhaps a better word is agnostic. Better still to say "I don't know whether or not there is a God" and leave it at that.