Is atheism a belief?

[ecco]

True guidance is God's guidance.
True guidance exists.

Therefore God exists.

Please give some examples of God's Guidance and show where you got that information.

 

[ecco]

Then there isn't a burden of proof. I can say you should prove yourself worthy of being taught, before I waste my time.

None of us are worthy. Therefore, please stop wasting your time by posting.

 

[ecco]

There is no point elaborating in this thread, I will make a whole new thread for it because morality is as complicated as it gets. It will get lost in this thread. And let's be honest, if it's proven, you know very well you won't accept it.

That's probably true. So, save yourself the effort. Don't bother making a new thread and don't bother continuing to post in this one.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There is no point elaborating in this thread, I will make a whole new thread for it because morality is as complicated as it gets. It will get lost in this thread. And let's be honest, if it's proven, you know very well you won't accept it.

Thank you for not derailing this thread further.

 

[LuisDantas]

You may think so, but if you ignore proofs on that basis, you are doing so through circular reasoning.


"There aren't proofs for God's existence, so I won't listen to proofs of God's existence" is a way of mind ****ing yourself into circular compounding of ignorance.

Nope. that is your toy to play with.
I do not need circular reasoning. I am not an Abrahamic theist.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You may think so, but if you ignore proofs on that basis, you are doing so through circular reasoning.


"There aren't proofs for God's existence, so I won't listen to proofs of God's existence" is a way of mind ****ing yourself into circular compounding of ignorance.

It's more that there's just not enough time in the day to give every self-appointed internet apologist a full hearing-out, so we have to be at least a bit choosy about how we spend our time.

 

[Gandalf]

I find that emotionally many atheists act religious although this all emanates from the simple fact that religion is emotional and can have many forms. So there is a specific strain of western atheism with its own culture and inputs into the memeplex. But ultimately atheism itself is simple not a belief unless one posits a positive form of atheism that has knowledge of the nonexistence of a god.

These linguistic details are just trappings ultimately and are used very incorrectly in common debate though.

 

[Vinayaka]

According to your statement, everyone is an atheist.

Sure, at the right moment everyone is.

 

[PureX]

You also duck and dodge a lot as you just did again. You quoted and responded to very little of my post.

I don't bother with the irrelevant nonsense.

 

[Trailblazer]

When you intentionally select portions of a comment and portions of a reply, you are indeed erecting a strawman. Perhaps I'm being too kind. Perhaps you were just being intentionally dishonest.

Considering that you didn't use the quote features and made me hunt for the original comments, I'm leaning toward the latter.




Now, let's look at the entire sentence: "And it IS A BELIEF because the atheist believes that he is and would be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed."

PureX is asserting that: it IS A BELIEF because....
If nothing else, that part is untrue. Whatever follows the "because" doesn't matter. Whatever follows the "because" is a figment of PureX's imagination - it has nothing to do with truth.

Perhaps, instead of using the phrase "It's also untrue" it would have been clearer if I just said: PureX is lying. But, for reasons that should be obvious to members of RF, I chose a less harsh version.

Purex's comments also contained other fabrications...
UNTRUE: Atheism is the presumption that no gods exist.
UNTRUE: This belief is what defines atheism.

Maybe you have time to go back through older posts to prove your points but I have no need to prove anything because it does not matter to me if I am right or wrong. All humans make mistakes because humans are fallible. The important thing is that we can admit it when we make mistakes and apologize when it is warranted.

I will apologize if I misstated something someone said but not if I just asked a question. All I did was ask a question.

Trailblazer said: So, are you saying that you might not be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed?

 

[Samantha Rinne]

This Poll Does Not Reflect My Thinking.

Is Atheism a belief? Yes. So is any assertion at all that one believes in. Belief in UFO or that medicine is poison is a belief. Beliefs are opinions and general views.

Is Atheism a religion? No. Religion involves specific characteristics such as texts, holt places, taboos, or rituals. It doesn't need them all but it needs some. It basically has none.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I searched and searched and searched. So far the closest I've come is the finding of a gooblydockydodogo.

...and you SURVIVED?

Wow!

All hail ecco!


;-)

 

[firedragon]

Negate it? What does that mean?

Negate it means "nullify".

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Is Atheism a belief? Yes. So is any assertion at all that one believes in. Belief in UFO or that medicine is poison is a belief. Beliefs are opinions and general views.

"What do you believe in?"
"Oh, lots of stuff. No gods, though."


What belief has been asserted?

 

[BilliardsBall]

It sounds as if you don’t like let alone love atheists. Your definition has a few technical difficulties too. I’ll leave that to others to bring you to account.

Do you believe in ESP? How can you tell I don't love atheists? I'm commanded to love them!

 

[ecco]

Maybe you have time to go back through older posts to prove your points

You took the time to go back through older posts to misrepresent what I said.

but I have no need to prove anything because it does not matter to me if I am right or wrong.

You made it very obvious that you don't care if you are right or wrong. Even when you are shown you are wrong, it doesn't bother you. That shows a complete lack of integrity. Is that what your religion teaches?

All humans make mistakes because humans are fallible. The important thing is that we can admit it when we make mistakes and apologize when it is warranted.

I will apologize if I misstated something someone said but not if I just asked a question. All I did was ask a question.

All you did was deceitfully take a portion of Purex's comment and deceitfully combine it with my answer to intentionally misrepresent what I said....

Trailblazer said:

So, are you saying that you might not be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed?

I explained all this once and I will post it again.
ecco previously

When you intentionally select portions of a comment and portions of a reply, you are indeed erecting a strawman. Perhaps I'm being too kind. Perhaps you were just being intentionally dishonest.

Considering that you didn't use the quote features and made me hunt for the original comments, I'm leaning toward the latter.




Now, let's look at the entire sentence: "And it IS A BELIEF because the atheist believes that he is and would be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed."

PureX is asserting that: it IS A BELIEF because....
If nothing else, that part is untrue. Whatever follows the "because" doesn't matter. Whatever follows the "because" is a figment of PureX's imagination - it has nothing to do with truth.

Perhaps, instead of using the phrase "It's also untrue" it would have been clearer if I just said: PureX is lying. But, for reasons that should be obvious to members of RF, I chose a less harsh version.

Purex's comments also contained other fabrications...
UNTRUE: Atheism is the presumption that no gods exist.
UNTRUE: This belief is what defines atheism.​

 

[Dawnofhope]

This Poll Does Not Reflect My Thinking.

Is Atheism a belief? Yes. So is any assertion at all that one believes in. Belief in UFO or that medicine is poison is a belief. Beliefs are opinions and general views.

Is Atheism a religion? No. Religion involves specific characteristics such as texts, holt places, taboos, or rituals. It doesn't need them all but it needs some. It basically has none.

The question is whether or not atheism is a belief, not a religion. I agree that opinions and general views are beliefs. Atheism too is an opinion or general view about the nature of God. Therefore atheism is a belief.

 

[oldbadger]

Atheism could be defined as:

A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Another way of phrasing it could be one who believes there is no God or gods.

I’m good with either definition but not everyone is. Maybe I shouldn’t be either.

What is the best definition of atheism and why can it be so difficult to define?

I believe in an un-involved God which is everything and everyforce together. Ergo, I do not believe in an involved interested God. Ergo I am at least a Non-Theist and very probably an Atheist.

So...... belief.
But many Atheists don't like the work 'belief'' very much 'cos it tends to diminish their coat of many sciences, some of them just think they know it all.

Belief? Huh! Spit...... Sniff.......

 

[Trailblazer]

You took the time to go back through older posts to misrepresent what I said.

What I did was see one post while I was reading on this thread and I was wondering about what you meant so I asked you a question. A question is not a statement so it cannot be a misrepresentation.

So, are you saying that you might not be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed?
#232 Trailblazer, Saturday at 9:20 PM

You made it very obvious that you don't care if you are right or wrong. Even when you are shown you are wrong, it doesn't bother you. That shows a complete lack of integrity. Is that what your religion teaches?

No, it shows that I am not arrogant, so I do not need to be RIGHT all the time.
But had you actually shown me I was wrong, I would have gladly admitted it.

All you did was deceitfully take a portion of Purex's comment and deceitfully combine it with my answer to intentionally misrepresent what I said....

No, I just quoted what was said by Purex and you and I asked you a question.
I was not representing anything so I could not be MISrepresenting anything.

All you had to do was answer my question and you could have avoided all this work you made for yourself.
Instead, you falsely misrepresent my intentions.
All I wanted was an answer to my simple question:

So, are you saying that you might not be capable of recognizing the evidence of the existence of a god, if one existed?
#232 Trailblazer, Saturday at 9:20 PM

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The question is whether or not atheism is a belief, not a religion. I agree that opinions and general views are beliefs. Atheism too is an opinion or general view about the nature of God. Therefore atheism is a belief.

Once again, I'm fascinated with this urgency that a non-belief in deities be characterized as a belief by those who do hold to one religion or another. This seems immensely important to you, for some reason. Do you think you can articulate what that reason might be?

Seen my next post.