Is Baha'u'llah true or false Prophet?

[Vinayaka]

You must know everything

Sorry. In my opinion. I'm just giving the opinion of any adherent of a non-prophet religion, and atheists.
We're more than half the people on this planet.

 

[oldbadger]

Well seeing there is nothing in the bible that mention Bahau'u'llah, that's going to very hard to prove, unless a person twists the bible into saying what they want it to. Other than that, there's nothing written in the bible anything about Baha'u'llah.

Where's are my follow Christians, their all around. Talking to other people also.

As Christ Jesus has said In John 4:23-24--"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him"

24-- "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth"

In verse 23 above, What's that ( hour)
Christ Jesus speaking of and how does that ( hour) fit into the book of Revelation.

As to how many times does it have to be proven.
Seeing that Christ Jesus said,"For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem" Luke 13'33.

Seeing that a prophet cannot perish outside of Jerusalem, and those prophets that do perish outside of Jerusalem.

Those prophets that die at Jerusalem, would naturally be the true prophets.

And those prophets that die outside of Jerusalem, would naturally be the false prophets.

Oh well......... you got that off your chest, at least.

But I don't believe you. Yeshua supported John's mission, carrying as best he could after John's arrest, and 11-12 months later he demonstrated in the Temple grounds and got arrested himself.

.......

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well seeing there is nothing in the bible that mention Bahau'u'llah, that's going to very hard to prove, unless a person twists the bible into saying what they want it to. Other than that, there's nothing written in the bible anything about Baha'u'llah.

Where's are my follow Christians, their all around. Talking to other people also.

As Christ Jesus has said In John 4:23-24--"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him"

24-- "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth"

In verse 23 above, What's that ( hour)
Christ Jesus speaking of and how does that ( hour) fit into the book of Revelation.

As to how many times does it have to be proven.
Seeing that Christ Jesus said,"For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem" Luke 13'33.

Seeing that a prophet cannot perish outside of Jerusalem, and those prophets that do perish outside of Jerusalem.

Those prophets that die at Jerusalem, would naturally be the true prophets.

And those prophets that die outside of Jerusalem, would naturally be the false prophets.

Faith. Its common sense. No need to quote scriptures. Bahaullah was not born in biblical days; so, his presence in scripture is highly by context and interpretation based on bahai views not christian.

So their true is your false. If you cant use their scriptures to disprove them (clearly and distinctively) which beliefs are you reffering to?

Keep in mind this is another faith with a different foundation than mainstream christianity; so, basically, you are just proving their differences. While they disagree with differences, that doesnt make them true or false, just different. Yes. I know. Say that three times fast.

I notice both you and a bahai told each other you guys are false and reading things wrong. Its really silly. Unless you can bring a good argument using each others scriptures to, what exactly is your point?

 

[Vinayaka]

Personally, I don't believe in divinely ordained prophets although I know mankind has no problem designating their favorites as such. It's an idea you either buy into or you don't. A herd mentality example?

Why would God, if he/she is so wise, designate one person as his/her sole representative on this planet? It would be impossible for any one person to communicate with everyone, given the diversity God himself created/emanated. Similarly, why would he choose a certain group as his people? Seems altogether way too much favoritism. I just find it so illogical, hardly even worthy of a discussion.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sorry. In my opinion. I'm just giving the opinion of any adherent of a non-prophet religion, and atheists.

If they can say their "facts", you can too. We're with ya!

 

[Polymath257]

As I said many times, it's not my truth, it's Christ Jesus truth. All Im doing is in Agreement with Christ Jesus.

Your truth is that you accept certain writings as being from Jesus and that you take those writings as truth. Others do not accept those writings as authoritative and/or do not accept them as truth.

 

[Vinayaka]

If they can say their "facts", you can too. We're with ya!

Often 'debate' threads start out with the assumption that all religion is Abrahamic. So you're given two options, both lying within that paradigm. For those of us who don't think that way, or in those dualistic terms, it's rarely that simple. Same with the term 'religion'. It often means 'Abrahamic religion'. So we read carefully.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Faith, this whole post is seeing you descredit Bahai claim bahaullah is a false prophet compared to your own. While you can claim he is not (I have no opinion of who is right or wrong), you would have to provide some scripture of bahai to prove it wrong.

So far, I dont know which bahai scripture you are descrediting.



Find in bahai scripture that bahai scripture conflicts with yours. Once I can see this, we can see if both sides relate to each other.

In my opinion, both sides have different beliefs and need to be accepted as such. I disagree that bahaullah is in scripture; but, I have no reason to prove it wrong unless I know both sides well enough to prove why I strongly believe my opinion is true. Honestly, its a waste of time.



Provide bahai scripture that conflicts with your scripture you may have a point.



Who is trying to convince you? I mean, I dislike christianity with a passion, but how does my opinion affect you??



Yes. I agree. I had a long long year long conversation over it; so... I agree.

But you werent part of the discussion; so, provide bahai scriptures to prove yours contradict to what theirs say.



And...



We know you disagree that bahaullah is a christian prophet. What else?



I dont remember bahaullah saying he was as greater prophet. He said each prophet is appropriate for that time period. He is appropriate for this time period. You have to read up on bahai faith before attacking it.



But why attack it?

Do you know what their belief teaches about jesus??



Ha. Wow. You are in a bubble. The bible is not special. A lot of people read the bible and that is why we are no longer christian. It influences people in different ways.

Dont attack people nor accuse people ignorant of scripture because they are not christian. That is very, cough, wrong of you and an insult.

Who's attacking who, Those people came at me, If someone came to you, would that be you going to them or them coming to you, it would be coming to you.

Let's for say, that you have a book and you know without a doubt what's in it and what's not in it.
Then comes people trying to tell what's in it and what's not in it.
But you know without a doubt everything they say is false. Now what do you do. You would probably try to help them in seeing what it does say and what it does not say.

How much more proof does a person need.
Christ Jesus said in Luke 13:33-34.
"For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem"

Seeing that Christ Jesus is pointing out, that the true prophets of God died at Jerusalem.

And those prophets who died outside of the area of Jerusalem, would be the false prophets.

Here's what you said above ---> ( Ha. Wow. You are in a bubble. The bible is not special. A lot of people read the bible and that is why we are no longer christian. It influences people in different ways)

Maybe the bible is not special to you, but to me it means everything.
Yes, alot of people do read the bible, but they failed of not knowing how to put things together to make any sense of the bible.
In the four gospel's, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Now in those four gospel's, there are two types of Jews being spoken of by Christ Jesus,
Now the question is, Which Jews are Which, Who's, who.

As Christ Jesus spoke to those Jews that came to him, proclaiming to be the Children of Abraham, But then Jesus said unto them, If Abraham were your Father, you would do the works of Abraham.

Notice Jesus said ( if Abraham were your father)
Meaning Abraham is not their Father.

But yet they are Jews. So how can they not be the children of Abraham. What is Jesus revealing. If their not Abraham's children, then who's children are they.
Notice in verse 44, Jesus telling them who is their father.
Now which Jews are they, seeing there two types of Jews, So Who's, who.

John 8:39-44--"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of himself"

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Who's attacking who, Those people came at me, If someone came to you, would that be you going to them or them coming to you, it would be coming to you.

Let's for say, that you have a book and you know without a doubt what's in it and what's not in it.
Then comes people trying to tell what's in it and what's not in it.
But you know without a doubt everything they say is false. Now what do you do. You would probably try to help them in seeing what it does say and what it does not say.

How much more proof does a person need.
Christ Jesus said in Luke 13:33-34.
"For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem"

Seeing that Christ Jesus is pointing out, that the true prophets of God died at Jerusalem.

And those prophets who died outside of the area of Jerusalem, would be the false prophets.

Here's what you said above ---> ( Ha. Wow. You are in a bubble. The bible is not special. A lot of people read the bible and that is why we are no longer christian. It influences people in different ways)

Maybe the bible is not special to you, but to me it means everything.
Yes, alot of people do read the bible, but they failed of not knowing how to put things together to make any sense of the bible.
In the four gospel's, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Now in those four gospel's, there are two types of Jews being spoken of by Christ Jesus,
Now the question is, Which Jews are Which, Who's, who.

As Christ Jesus spoke to those Jews that came to him, proclaiming to be the Children of Abraham, But then Jesus said unto them, If Abraham were your Father, you would do the works of Abraham.

Notice Jesus said ( if Abraham were your father)
Meaning Abraham is not their Father.

But yet they are Jews. So how can they not be the children of Abraham. What is Jesus revealing. If their not Abraham's children, then who's children are they.
Notice in verse 44, Jesus telling them who is their father.
Now which Jews are they, seeing there two types of Jews, So Who's, who.

John 8:39-44--"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of himself"

Faith. You set up the plateform. The biggest one: is bahaullah true or false prophet. Then you go on to claim that he is not without using their scripture so yours can clearly refrute it.

But, yeah, you guys are accusing each other is reading scripture wrong, who is more knowledgable, even told me that Im not as knowledgable as you. Bite the bullet. You are not the only victim.

But the bible is not a universal object to dictate everyone else is false. (In my opinion), yes, you are in a bubble. What is true to you is not true to others.

Also, do you know anything about bahai beliefs??

 

[Faithofchristian]

Faith. Its common sense. No need to quote scriptures. Bahaullah was not born in biblical days; so, his presence in scripture is highly by context and interpretation based on bahai views not christian.

So their true is your false. If you cant use their scriptures to disprove them (clearly and distinctively) which beliefs are you reffering to?

Keep in mind this is another faith with a different foundation than mainstream christianity; so, basically, you are just proving their differences. While they disagree with differences, that doesnt make them true or false, just different. Yes. I know. Say that three times fast.

I notice both you and a bahai told each other you guys are false and reading things wrong. Its really silly. Unless you can bring a good argument using each others scriptures to, what exactly is your point?

Ok, but seeing that you said above and here's what you said above ---> Faith. Its common sense. No need to quote scriptures. Bahaullah was not born in biblical days; so, his presence in scripture is highly by context and interpretation based on bahai views not christian)

Maybe what you said, you should try and explain that to those people who keep implying that Baha'u'llah is to be found in the scriptures, that you say he is not found in
So I'm suppose to let others tell me what's in the Christian bible/scriptures. And say nothing to correct them in their error.

How exactly is this to work, people who are not Christian, but going to tell a Christian, what's in their Christian bible/ scriptures.

Am I missing something here.

I'm not a rocket scientist, but according to you, I can tell rocket scientist what the working of a rocket how it works.
I can be of a sure, that those rocket scientist will tell me, how is it that you that knows nothing about rockets and our book on rockets, are going to tell us about our book on rockets.

So this whole thing comes down to, as I am a Christian, but yet other people who are not Christian, tell me what the Christian bible/ scriptures are about.
Out of due respect, how does this his work.
How can a person who is not a Christian, tell a Christian what their christian bible/ scriptures is about.

How does a person that knows nothing about rockets, tell a rocket scientist all about rockets.

 

[Polymath257]

Ok, but seeing that you said above and here's what you said above ---> Faith. Its common sense. No need to quote scriptures. Bahaullah was not born in biblical days; so, his presence in scripture is highly by context and interpretation based on bahai views not christian)

Maybe what you said, you should try and explain that to those people who keep implying that Baha'u'llah is to be found in the scriptures, that you say he is not found in
So I'm suppose to let others tell me what's in the Christian bible/scriptures. And say nothing to correct them in their error.

How exactly is this to work, people who are not Christian, but going to tell a Christian, what's in their Christian bible/ scriptures.

Am I missing something here.

I'm not a rocket scientist, but according to you, I can tell rocket scientist what the working of a rocket how it works.
I can be of a sure, that those rocket scientist will tell me, how is it that you that knows nothing about rockets and our book on rockets, are going to tell us about our book on rockets.

So this whole thing comes down to, as I am a Christian, but yet other people who are not Christian, tell me what the Christian bible/ scriptures are about.
Out of due respect, how does this his work.
How can a person who is not a Christian, tell a Christian what their christian bible/ scriptures is about.

How does a person that knows nothing about rockets, tell a rocket scientist all about rockets.

Your OP asked whether someone was a real prophet. The legitimacy of your scriptures is legitimately part of the debate on that issue. There is also a legitimate debate as to whether you have interpreted your scriptures correctly.

Not everyone accepts your scriptures as the last or only word. Not everyone thinks they are completely true and interpreted correctly.

We have other people giving *their* interpretation and how their interpretation feed into their beliefs. You give *your* interpretation and how your interpretation feeds into your beliefs.

Remember that there are Christians that don't interpret your scriptures in the same way you do. Why is it a surprise when those from a different set of beliefs all together have a different one?

 

[David T]

"This meaning that no prophet shall die outside of Jerusalem."

People may judge for themselves. whether or not Baha'u'llah is a true or false Prophet.

On 9 May 1892, Bahá'u'lláh contracted a slight fever which grew steadily over the following days, abated, and then finally resulted in his death on 29 May 1892 (Dhu'l Qa'dah 2, 1309 AH). He was buried in the shrine located next to the Mansion of Bahjí.)
Bahá'u'lláh - Wikipedia
Wikipedia › wiki › Bahá'u'lláh

Baha'u'llah died at Acre in Israel, and was buried in the shrine located next to the Mansion of Bahji, which is located in Acre in Israel, which is about 200 miles away from Jerusalem.
Shrine of Bahá'u'lláh - Wikipedia
Wikipedia › wiki › Shrine_of_Bahá'u'lláh
The Shrine of Bahá'u'lláh, located in Bahjí near Acre, Israel, is the most holy ... It contains the remains of Bahá'u'lláh and is near the spot where he died in the Mansion of Bahjí.

This being about 200 miles away from Jerusalem.


Notice what Christ Jesus had to say about Jerusalem in the book of Luke 13:33--" Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"
This meaning that no prophet shall die outside of Jerusalem.

Now as for Baha'u'llah dieing 200 miles away from Jerusalem, Christ Jesus thereby proving Baha'u'llah is a false prophet.

The Prophets of God, either died a natural death or was stone to death by people in Jerusalem.

But here we find Baha'u'llah, died On 9 May 1892, Bahá'u'lláh contracted a slight fever which grew steadily over the following days, abated, and then finally resulted in his death on 29 May 1892.

So it is that Baha'u'llah didn't die a natural death, as in dieing of old age, But by contracted a slight fever which grew steadily over the following days, which caused his death on May 29,1892.

But yet Christ Jesus has said in Luke 13:34--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

34-- "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not"

So we find the Prophets of Gods died at Jerusalem, at the hands of the people in Jerusalem or by a natural death of old age.

Where as Baha'u'llah died by a fever that took his life 200 miles outside of Jerusalem.

So Baha'u'llah didn't die by a natural death of old age or by the hands of people in Jerusalem, But by a fever. As there were no prophets of Gods that ever died by any diseases.

But by a natural death of old age or at the hands of people in Jerusalem.

Which again proves Baha'u'llah as a false prophet.

For Christ Jesus did say in Luke 13:33--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"

That being outside of Jerusalem, which puts Baha'u'llah dieing 200 miles away from Jerusalem as a false prophet.

"This meaning that no prophet shall die outside of Jerusalem."

The text is esoteric in nature.....factually.

 

[David T]

Your OP asked whether someone was a real prophet. The legitimacy of your scriptures is legitimately part of the debate on that issue. There is also a legitimate debate as to whether you have interpreted your scriptures correctly.

Not everyone accepts your scriptures as the last or only word. Not everyone thinks they are completely true and interpreted correctly.

We have other people giving *their* interpretation and how their interpretation feed into their beliefs. You give *your* interpretation and how your interpretation feeds into your beliefs.

Remember that there are Christians that don't interpret your scriptures in the same way you do. Why is it a surprise when those from a different set of beliefs all together have a different one?

The texts are esoteric thus rorschachian in nature. He is reading it reductively which is completely wrong. That leads to an infinite variety of interpretations.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ok, but seeing that you said above and here's what you said above ---> Faith. Its common sense. No need to quote scriptures. Bahaullah was not born in biblical days; so, his presence in scripture is highly by context and interpretation based on bahai views not christian)

Maybe what you said, you should try and explain that to those people who keep implying that Baha'u'llah is to be found in the scriptures, that you say he is not found in
So I'm suppose to let others tell me what's in the Christian bible/scriptures. And say nothing to correct them in their error.

How exactly is this to work, people who are not Christian, but going to tell a Christian, what's in their Christian bible/ scriptures.

Am I missing something here.

I'm not a rocket scientist, but according to you, I can tell rocket scientist what the working of a rocket how it works.
I can be of a sure, that those rocket scientist will tell me, how is it that you that knows nothing about rockets and our book on rockets, are going to tell us about our book on rockets.

So this whole thing comes down to, as I am a Christian, but yet other people who are not Christian, tell me what the Christian bible/ scriptures are about.

Out of due respect, how does this his work.
How can a person who is not a Christian, tell a Christian what their christian bible/ scriptures is about.

How does a person that knows nothing about rockets, tell a rocket scientist all about rockets.

Gosh. You should have been in our conversation a year ago with Bahai. We (Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim and christian/shortly) discussed how christianity, hindu, and buddhism doesnt share anything with each other. Even Buddhism and Hinduism has its differences despite similar cultures.

But, yeah, I understand its insultive. It helps to know more about their beliefs and debate against their beliefs on how you read their beliefs.

No one is doing anything to you. You created the debate plateform; so, it would make sense that you take backlash to your faith. (Not you, just your faith)

How exactly is this to work, people who are not Christian, but going to tell a Christian, what's in their Christian bible/ scriptures.

Believe me. Some of us understand.

So this whole thing comes down to, as I am a Christian, but yet other people who are not Christian, tell me what the Christian bible/ scriptures are about.

Out of due respect, how does this his work.
How can a person who is not a Christian, tell a Christian what their christian bible/ scriptures is about.

Yeah. I see whats behind your irritation now. I dont know what to say. Unless you make a uniformed debate between scriptures, your fustration probably wont let up.

How does a person that knows nothing about rockets, tell a rocket scientist all about rockets

They read their own manual to interpret your manual even though the language is the same but context is different.

Dont think into it too much.

-

No insult to individual Bahai; it is what it is.

 

[David T]

Nope not at all, Jesus was very clear about what he said. For it cannot be a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

How much more can Christ Jesus be than that.

Sorry, suddenly you are jesus personal spokesman thats infantile. Clarity never ever ever comes from a book..thats "gathering knowledge" that is not understanding. What would you actually understand if you did not have a book in front of you, or tv, or the internet? How would you function?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Faithofchristian

To a tiny bit of the other persons defense. A few bahai and I have experienced christianity before changing our religions. A few here are academic knowledgable Since scripture is not universal many scholars regardless their beliefs and scientific backgrounds draw conclusions on scripture and its history more than you, and I, and others can speak of.

So, unless you are defending your experiences, yes, what you say makes sense and on the other hand you did put this in a debate section.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Faith. You set up the plateform. The biggest one: is bahaullah true or false prophet. Then you go on to claim that he is not without using their scripture so yours can clearly refrute it.

But, yeah, you guys are accusing each other is reading scripture wrong, who is more knowledgable, even told me that Im not as knowledgable as you. Bite the bullet. You are not the only victim.

But the bible is not a universal object to dictate everyone else is false. (In my opinion), yes, you are in a bubble. What is true to you is not true to others.

Also, do you know anything about bahai beliefs??

As I posted about Baha'u'llah, and that Baha'u'llah had taken many things from the Christian bible/scriptures and to imply them in a way out of their context of what their Actually saying.

But as I am finding out and quickly, once people are set in their ways, there's no amount of talking or trying to explain.

So basically I'm in agreement with you. But when people try to tell me about the Christian bible/scriptures, it's hard not to reply back to them.
So I agree to disagree.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

As I posted about Baha'u'llah, and that Baha'u'llah had taken many things from the Christian bible/scriptures and to imply them in a way out of their context of what their Actually saying.

But as I am finding out and quickly, once people are set in their ways, there's no amount of talking or trying to explain.

So basically I'm in agreement with you. But when people try to tell me about the Christian bible/scriptures, it's hard not to reply back to them.
So I agree to disagree.

Its alright to debate, of course. I personally dont debate with christians over LGBTQ issues cause I know they are completely off in their views; but, I cant tell them medical facts in comparison to biblical beliefs in the B.C. ara. Likewise with you, maybe this is your deal breaker.

Its alright to have deal breakers. Its better than pulling your hair out. Maybe atheists have better conversations with you? We're not all bad; and,I havent met any here that claim full understanding of your beliefs.

 

[Faithofchristian]

@Faithofchristian

To a tiny bit of the other persons defense. A few bahai and I have experienced christianity before changing our religions. A few here are academic knowledgable Since scripture is not universal many scholars regardless their beliefs and scientific backgrounds draw conclusions on scripture and its history more than you, and I, and others can speak of.

So, unless you are defending your experiences, yes, what you say makes sense and on the other hand you did put this in a debate section.

If I may say, why I did not go so much into another's faith/ religion, if I did that was not my intention. To try to discredit anyone's religion.
What someone else's religion is, that's not my concern, But what is my concern is when another trys to tell me what the Christian bible/scriptures say.

When I posted this Thread, was to see how many people, who say they know the Christian bible/ scriptures, just how much do they really know about the Christian bible/scriptures. It was amazing to me, just how little people knows about the Christian bible/scriptures, who claimed they do know.
But however, I was trying to give some in sight in and about the Christian bible/scriptures.
But it doesn't take away from what Christ Jesus did reveal.
As some people may find it interesting and some people find it questionable.

So I'm just going to leave it at that with all due respect.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If I may say, why I did not go so much into another's faith/ religion, if I did that was not my intention. To try to discredit anyone's religion.
What someone else's religion is, that's not my concern, But what is my concern is when another trys to tell me what the Christian bible/scriptures say.

When I posted this Thread, was to see how many people, who say they know the Christian bible/ scriptures, just how much do they really know about the Christian bible/scriptures. It was amazing to me, just how little people knows about the Christian bible/scriptures, who claimed they do know.
But however, I was trying to give some in sight in and about the Christian bible/scriptures.
But it doesn't take away from what Christ Jesus did reveal.
As some people may find it interesting and some people find it questionable.

So I'm just going to leave it at that with all due respect.

But, Faith. Why dont you want to know about their faith?

Debates arent one way. They did the same thing, post a thread to see if their scripture outweighs anyone else who disagrees. Its not a good habit, in my opinion, and method to teach other people your faith. If anything,I see it doing you guys more harm than good.

But, yeah. If you dont want to learn their truth as theirs yours, how can you form any coherant conversation unless that person agrees with you?