Is Black Lives Matter a Joke?

[Mindmaster]

Supporting a group supporting racial liberation and condemning one which supports racial supremacy does not make me a hypocrite.

What rights do black people not have?

What statistics support their claims?

Because, I know the answer to that:

1) The largest killer of any group is their own race. Black, white, doesn't matter.

2) Blacks die less to police than whites, always have, despite the fact that blacks are much more responsible for violent crimes. Police violence verses civilians (all of them) is at an all time low.

3) It is not racist to form generalizations based on that data to aid you in ensuring your safety or to more effectively enforce the law.

In essence, they will not be happy until they have a special set of rules that make it harder for cops to do their jobs. Have you seen Baltimore, MD lately? The cops ran off because they were being screwed by the mayor and now it's a lawless kill zone. That's what they want, everywhere...

Ask yourself, why is that?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

No, it's because "straight pride" is not needed. Neither whites nor straight people are marginalized groups in our society. As for whites, there's already European cultural celebrations. There's Irish, Scottish, German, Italian, Russian, Macedonian, Greek, etc. festivals all over the place every year. So don't act like European-descended people aren't allowed to have pride in their heritage. I'm Euro-descended, too, and I'm proud of my ancestry.

So lgtbqjhgtfd or however many letters you have on that acronym now get to dictate what's 'needed' for the rest of us now? If anything they are 'needed' as much as any of them(which is not at all) as what those parades are about is a cessation of discrimination. Meanwhile, white males are discriminated against in tangible ways while the rest of you chase ghosts. Race, gender, sexual preference, none of these hold people back in any real way anymore. It's easier to get into schools, get jobs, etc if you are a gay black woman than for a regular Joe thanks to affirmative action and it's regulatory family. Additionally, there are the social factors involved as I mentioned in a previous post.

Honestly, I find it all kind of stupid. Being proud of a thing you didn't actually accomplish yourself is hubris, and this includes the color of your skin, your gender, or what sort of holes you like to put your junk in. I just see blatant hypocrisy and an obvious double standard on the left.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Because when the majority group has a pride movement when it already dominates society, it devolves into a movement based around supremacy. This can be seen with German nationalism, white pride groups, and MRAs.

White males constitute around 35 percent of the population. I am a minority.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So lgtbqjhgtfd or however many letters you have on that acronym now get to dictate what's 'needed' for the rest of us now?

Who said that? The point is that LGBT pride, as well as black and brown pride movements exist as a middle finger to an oppressive society at large which teaches us that we're nothing and beneath white cisgender heterosexual people.

If anything they are 'needed' as much as any of them(which is not at all) as what those parades are about is a cessation of discrimination. Meanwhile, white males are discriminated against in tangible ways while the rest of you chase ghosts. Race, gender, sexual preference, none of these hold people back in any real way anymore. It's easier to get into schools, get jobs, etc if you are a gay black woman than for a regular Joe thanks to affirmative action and it's regulatory family. Additionally, there are the social factors involved as I mentioned in a previous post.

To you, discrimination = "not being specially favored over others anymore". If you want to claim that white men are discriminated against, provide specific examples, please.

Honestly, I find it all kind of stupid. Being proud of a thing you didn't actually accomplish yourself is hubris, and this includes the color of your skin, your gender, or what sort of holes you like to put your junk in. I just see blatant hypocrisy and an obvious double standard on the left.

Righties are just mad that minorities won't shut up and accept marginalization anymore. Y'all are just mad.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Last year who killed the most, police killing blacks or blacks killing cops. BLM won't address and denounce that and that makes them hypocrites.

There were more shootings of black people by cops than the other way around... by a wide margin:

US police shootings: How many die each year? - BBC News

2015 fatal shootings of police officers in the US: 46 (perpetrators of all races)
Annual fatal shootings of black people by police: 258

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

@Saint Frankenstein
I provided several examples, both social and political. Please read more carefully.

 

[Father Heathen]

So you were making a non sequitur?

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Some members have implied that others in the thread were racist for being critical of the BLM movement. That's what I was addressing, and I'm not certain that you understand what a non sequitur actually is.

 

[omega2xx]

There were more shootings of black people by cops than the other way around... by a wide margin:

US police shootings: How many die each year? - BBC News

2015 fatal shootings of police officers in the US: 46 (perpetrators of all races)
Annual fatal shootings of black people by police: 258

Didn't think about that. Then we need to know how many were shot because they were shooting at the cops because they had committed some crime.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

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Some members have implied that others in the thread were racist for being critical of the BLM movement. That's what I was addressing, and I'm not certain that you understand what a non sequitur actually is.

I drink diet soda, not because it has less calories, but because I find soda with sugar to be far too sweet.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Didn't think about that. Then we need to know how many were shot because they were shooting at the cops because they had committed some crime.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

@Saint Frankenstein
I provided several examples, both social and political. Please read more carefully.

I said specific examples of discrimination.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you want to claim that white men are discriminated against, provide specific examples, please.

These aren't all recent, but....
- I was turned down for a reactor operator job at UofM because they were only hiring minorities & women.
The Phoenix Memorial Laboratory director told me this personally.
- At Ford, my father was under orders to not hire any white males. (I don't know how long this prohibition was in effect.)
- A friend had a demolition company working for Detroit. His contract was terminated because he wasn't black.
- A friend keeps his contracting company in the name of his Hispanic wife because it gives him preference in government work.

 

[columbus]

I said specific examples of discrimination.

Why do you want to devolve into a battle of anecdotes?
Most of the businesses in my town with overtly racist policies are black. When black people decide that they won't hire or service non-black people the Human Rights Commission just ignores them.
Tom

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

They refused to accept that and they refused to accept Blue Lives matter.
They are not a joke, they are a group of racist, anarchist.

BLM is purely racist.
I'm white and my life matters.
All lives matter.

Were either of you (or anyone else who uses the slogans "all lives matter" or "blue lives matter") saying them - or something to the same effect - before Black Lives Matter?

 

[columbus]

Were either of you (or anyone else who uses the slogans "all lives matter" or "blue lives matter") saying them - or something to the same effect - before Black Lives Matter?

Oh yeah!
I am a hard core prolifer. Anti war, anti capital punishment, anti environmental destruction, you name it.
I have always believed that all lives matter.
Tom

 

[Kirran]

Oh yeah!
I am a hard core prolifer. Anti war, anti capital punishment, anti environmental destruction, you name it.
I have always believed that all lives matter.
Tom

What is it that makes you think BLM supporters do not think so?

 

[columbus]

What is it that makes you think BLM supporters do not think so?

Their response to "all lives matter".

I don't doubt that some do. But that isn't what they're about.
Tom

 

[Kirran]

Their response to "all lives matter".

I don't doubt that some do. But that isn't what they're about.
Tom

This is because the All Lives Movement is a response to Black Lives Matter which attempts to delegitimise their concerns. So obviously they wouldn't respond positively.

 

[columbus]

This is because the All Lives Movement is a response to Black Lives Matter which attempts to delegitimise their concerns. So obviously they wouldn't respond positively.

Ok.
They don't respond well to "all lives matter".
I don't know about an "all lives matter" movement. I am not big on labels.
I believe that all lives matter and #BLM people don't. They will tell me I am a racist for saying so.
Tom

 

[Kirran]

Ok.
They don't respond well to "all lives matter".
I don't know about an "all lives matter" movement. I am not big on labels.
I believe that all lives matter and #BLM people don't. They will tell me I am a racist for saying so.
Tom

I'm pretty familiar with BLM, and I just don't see any basis for making such a statement. The term 'all lives matter' has come to be strongly associated with the people who use the term to dismiss BLM and its concerns, so there's a negative response to it. I respond negatively to it as a slogan myself, although of course I agree with the statement itself. Although BLM is upholding its intent much better.