Is Black Lives Matter a Joke?

[lewisnotmiller]

Like white privilege.

Plus, I suspect that you're rarely surprised when people do this. Perhaps disappointed, or amused, but not surprised.

Hmm...I stand corrected. Not surprised.
But not amused. Man, it's frustrating.

 

[Kirran]

Like white privilege.

Are you saying white privilege is a generalisation?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

When they chant that white people are the devil, "kill whites", etc... I'd say that's exactly what they're saying.

There definitely is a race problem - on both sides - in America. BLM is not the answer. They are disjointed, often violent, practically leaderless, hypocritical, and racist themselves. You can't combat racism with racism.

In terms of the movement (BLM) it seems to have some of the problems that any loose, mass-appealing race based movement would have.

There's really no way to control messaging, and so it ends up having both positive and negative messaging at the same time.

Which doesn't change the fact that I see the linked article in the OP as dross.

 

[Kirran]

In terms of the movement (BLM) it seems to have some of the problems that any loose, mass-appealing race based movement would have.

There's really no way to control messaging, and so it ends up having both positive and negative messaging at the same time.

Which doesn't change the fact that I see the linked article in the OP as dross.

Would you go along to support a BLM march in your city?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Would you go along to support a BLM march in your city?

No.
I prefer less populist activism.

 

[Kirran]

No.
I prefer less populist activism.

E.g.?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

When did they do this? Please be specific.

New York, 2016 "Dead Cops" chant:

White people are "the devil" and only white people can be racist:

"Hands up, don't shoot" - the mantra after incidents in Ferguson - has been proven to be a lie. Yet the narrative continues because it serves their agenda.

This young man says what many here have been trying to get at (WARNING: Strong language)

Even former members of Black Lives Matter recognize that the group has major issues:

While there may be "good eggs" in with the group, their organization is rotten. Those who aren't violently racist don't excuse all the harm that BLM has done.

 

[CCXLVI.]

New York, 2016 "Dead Cops" chant:

White people are "the devil" and only white people can be racist:

"Hands up, don't shoot" - the mantra after incidents in Ferguson - has been proven to be a lie. Yet the narrative continues because it serves their agenda.

This young man says what many here have been trying to get at (WARNING: Strong language)

Even former members of Black Lives Matter recognize that the group has major issues:

While there may be "good eggs" in with the group, their organization is rotten. Those who aren't violently racist don't excuse all the harm that BLM has done.

GURL YEASSSSSSS

 

[lewisnotmiller]

E.g.?

Like helping people stand up to discrete instances of racism, which I've done more than once. Like helping workers from other countries with job applications, requests for pay rises and the like.

Err...Are you heading somewhere with this line of questioning?

 

[Kirran]

Like helping people stand up to discrete instances of racism, which I've done more than once. Like helping workers from other countries with job applications, requests for pay rises and the like.

Err...Are you heading somewhere with this line of questioning?

No, I was just asking you two questions I was curious to know the answers to. I don't have much guile.

Those are great things to be doing.

I have for a while come to believe the main benefit of marches, rallies and all this kind of thing is that raises the awareness of the people attending, and the people around them. It's not that some higher-up will pay attention and change things, but that it boosts solidarity, faith, confidence and awareness in the movements holding them.

 

[columbus]

Are you saying white privilege is a generalisation?

I don't know if Kilgore is saying that, but I am.
Yes, there is white privilege. There is also black privilege.
They're both generalizations.

But one can be talked about openly and one cannot.
Tom

 

[Kirran]

I don't know if Kilgore is saying that, but I am.
Yes, there is white privilege. There is also black privilege.
They're both generalizations.

But one can be talked about openly and one cannot.
Tom

What is black privilege, exactly? If it does in some manner exist, as perhaps it does in certain spheres, it certainly is nowhere near the major force that the cultural structure of white privilege is.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I have for a while come to believe the main benefit of marches, rallies and all this kind of thing is that raises the awareness of the people attending, and the people around them. It's not that some higher-up will pay attention and change things, but that it boosts solidarity, faith, confidence and awareness in the movements holding them.

Hmmm...Dunno. You're right in terms of solidarity, etc, but I think mass movements CAN impact on politicians.

My issue is that almost by definition a populist movement needs to use fairly simplistic messaging, and generalizations. That just never sits well with me, so (apart from signing petitions and the like) I prefer to act locally.

Bugger all chance of it impacting anything large scale, but I think I sometimes have an actual impact on a person or two.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Are you saying white privilege is a generalisation?

It kinda has to be.

 

[Kirran]

Hmmm...Dunno. You're right in terms of solidarity, etc, but I think mass movements CAN impact on politicians.

My issue is that almost by definition a populist movement needs to use fairly simplistic messaging, and generalizations. That just never sits well with me, so (apart from signing petitions and the like) I prefer to act locally.

Bugger all chance of it impacting anything large scale, but I think I sometimes have an actual impact on a person or two.

That's why I quite like movements which are multi-issue, which embrace progressivism as a whole. Increasingly movements like BLM and the Occupy movement are embracing intersectionality though.

 

[Kirran]

It kinda has to be.

Eh, I don't know. A generalisation has the implication of being not applicable in every case, when it is the case that every white person in the world benefits from white privilege, regardless of all other problems they may be going through.

 

[CCXLVI.]

Eh, I don't know. A generalisation has the implication of being not applicable in every case, when it is the case that every white person in the world benefits from white privilege, regardless of all other problems they may be going through.

Do you mean people who are white, people who simply have pale/light skin but aren't white, or both?

 

[Kirran]

Do you mean people who are white, people who simply have pale/light skin but aren't white, or both?

Those who are socially perceived as coming into the category of 'white people'.

 

[columbus]

What is black privilege, exactly?

The license to say anything you want and if somebody criticizes it claim they're racist.
Tom

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I have often said - and will continue to - that the only privilege comes from wealth.