Is Black Lives Matter a Joke?

[psychoslice]

Yes, indeed I have.



This is racist. There is an indication here that blacks are 'a race' and that many of them are criminals. As I said, I'd be interested to know how you define racism.



And here again, 'they' are the ones who are always complaining. But I'm sure you're not prejudging people based on the colour of their skin, or anything crass like that. It's not YOUR fault that it just happens to be black people who are always whinging criminals.

Look get of your high horse, and stop your complaining, there are studies that show that blacks are more inclined to crime than any other race, if these people were pink, blue or whatever color, it would still apply, now please stop your ridiculous arguing.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I disagree, but I think there is a large element of truth to this.

I should add that my "model" is really only for America, as that's the only society that I truly know. While I've lived in Europe, I was too young to truly grasp the politics of everything. America is what I know, and where I frequently see this argument being staged.

That is terrible to hear of Papua New Guinea, though.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

That is terrible to hear of Papua New Guinea, though.

I was telling you the nice bits...


Sorcery and Sexism in Papua New Guinea

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Look get of your high horse, and stop your complaining, there are studies that show that blacks are more inclined to crime than any other race, if these people were pink, blue or whatever color, it would still apply, now please stop your ridiculous arguing.

High horse? Every time I disagree with you, you start with the 'arrogant' attacks. It's informative, at least.

'Blacks' commit more crime in the USA. I'm more interested in why you think that is.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I was telling you the nice bits...


Sorcery and Sexism in Papua New Guinea

Sadly, that part I knew about. It was a fairly big topic in the Pagan Community back in 2012, I believe.

 

[psychoslice]

High horse? Every time I disagree with you, you start with the 'arrogant' attacks. It's informative, at least.

'Blacks' commit more crime in the USA. I'm more interested in why you think that is.

Because its a fact, whats wrong with you ?, why does the truth hurt you, are you black ?.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Because its a fact, whats wrong with you ?, why does the truth hurt you, are you black ?.

Good grief, why? Are you going to stop talking to me, in case I murder you?
I'm trying to get you to think about the issue. How does 'blacks commit more crime' help ANYTHING unless you're willing to consider why that might be?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

'Blacks' commit more crime in the USA. I'm more interested in why you think that is.

That's a tough subject to determine conclusively, but there are statistics out there. Race and crime in the United States. Crime in the United States.

 

[psychoslice]

Good grief, why? Are you going to stop talking to me, in case I murder you?
I'm trying to get you to think about the issue. How does 'blacks commit more crime' help ANYTHING unless you're willing to consider why that might be?

Because its a FACT, its the same here in Australia, I don't know why but it is

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Because its a FACT, its the same here in Australia, I don't know why but it is

OK. Personally, I don't think it's related to the colour of their skin. But I guess we're talking past each other at this point, so...

Have a nice day.

 

[psychoslice]

OK. Personally, I don't think it's related to the colour of their skin. But I guess we're talking past each other at this point, so...

Have a nice day.

Of course its not the skin, I use to go with a black person who I was in love with, and even she admitted that her own race was a problem, now she could have been, blue, red, whatever bloody color, can you see that ?????????.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Of course its not the skin, I use to go with a black person who I was in love with, and even she admitted that her own race was a problem, now she could have been, blue, red, whatever bloody color, can you see that ?????????.

It's even less informative than saying 'poor people commit more crime'.
I don't see the benefit, but do see the harm.

 

[psychoslice]

It's even less informative than saying 'poor people commit more crime'.
I don't see the benefit, but do see the harm.

What is true is true, if you like it or not........yes I don't like it, but its TRUE.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What is true is true, if you like it or not........yes I don't like it, but its TRUE.

Phhht. Truth is useless unless it informs our actions.
You can use your truth to cross the street when you see a black person approaching, or to consider the impact of education, social mobility, and role models on our youth.

If you do neither of those things, neither act nor consider, then your truth is worth nothing. It doesn't impact anything at all.

 

[psychoslice]

Phhht. Truth is useless unless it informs our actions.
You can use your truth to cross the street when you see a black person approaching, or to consider the impact of education, social mobility, and role models on our youth.

If you do neither of those things, neither act nor consider, then your truth is worth nothing. It doesn't impact anything at all.

What the hell are you on ????.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What the hell are you on ????.

Wow. Okay then. Again with the insults.

I'm not ON anything. Tell you what...You keep your truth. This is going nowhere. Either my language skills or your comprehension is blocking any meaningful conversation.
Cheers.

 

[psychoslice]

Wow. Okay then. Again with the insults.

I'm not ON anything. Tell you what...You keep your truth. This is going nowhere. Either my language skills or your comprehension is blocking any meaningful conversation.
Cheers.

No, you have a big chip on your shoulders, for whatever reason, and this is blinding you from the truth.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

No, you have a big chip on your shoulders, for whatever reason, and this is blinding you from the truth.

A chip?
Me??

Bahahahahaha!!!!!

Fair enough mate.

 

[psychoslice]

A chip?
Me??

Bahahahahaha!!!!!

Fair enough mate.

Thanks for the discussion, and as I always say, there is no winners or looses, because we really know nothing.

 

[Kirran]

So, to expand on my statement regarding financial privilege, it also covers these topics. I qualify for all of these "privileges", and yet I have never once benefited from them; in fact a couple have held me back. Allow me to counter each in turn.

White Privilege
No such thing actually exists. For example, If I commit a minor infraction I cannot use my ethnicity to get out of a ticket or fine. It doesn't help me to get a job - legally, it cannot, though diversity expectations do exist for minorities. Neither is there even a sense of "fellowship" among white people; we really do not have each other's back. Nor do I even get scholarships for my ethnicity, yet minorities do. When there are instances of minorities being targeted or set back, it is not because of their lack of "white privilege". Rather, it is the presence of racist people. And unfortunately, there are quite a lot of racist people out there.

Male Privilege
The same as the above applies to male privilege, only it is the presence of sexist people. Just as with minorities, there are academic programs and benefits to be had for women, but not men. With the supposed "wage gap," I have never once encountered this, even in government jobs. My female co-workers have, rather, advanced quicker than me, been paid the same wages or more, and in both instances done less work comparatively. When hiring, several jobs that I've applied for prefer women (despite my qualifications), and I haven't been hired. More than a few in the town that I live in right now are notorious for not being worth the effort; men can certainly apply, but they'll never be hired.

With straight and non-trans (sorry, I hate the word 'cis') privilege, it is the presence of trans/homophobia.

Finally, this last one is going to sound very calloused. But with the others, there is no such thing as "able-bodied privilege". There is simply not being disabled. You either can do a job, or you can't. You can walk up and down stairs, or you can't. Et cetera.

With all of these, we have the notion that these "privileges" are a negative thing. Guilt to be inflicted on the party being "privileged", and something that they assumedly hold over the under-privileged parties. With instances of racism, sexism, transphobia and homophobia, individuals (or groups) do hold things over subject groups - but not necessarily their opposite (white/male/straight/non-trans) by default.

With those who aren't disabled, however, that's just the issue. They are disabled, which is scientifically a deviation from a scientific norm. With the other parties, there's nothing wrong with them. Call this "able privilege" if one must, but it's incorrect as it's not something granted upon them. It is simply the scientific and operative norm.

You seem to focus entirely on legal setbacks, and not on societal sentiments which are where privilege generally manifests. You also base a lot of it on anecdotal evidence, which isn't particularly good practice.

Nobody says the recipients of privilege should be guilty about it, it's about being aware and open-minded enough to realise that it's there and acknowledging its impact, which many are reluctant to do.

Statistically, it has been shown very clearly that white people are more likely to get interviews, will more easily get a job, are less stereotyped in social interactions etc, cancelling for legal affirmative action measures. Men talk more in interactions, they rise in rank in most corporate settings more easily etc. And obviously ableism isn't saying you should let people in wheelchairs be lumberjacks, do you really think that's what it's about?