Is Buddha God?

[firedragon]

complete BS and nonsense, you have no idea what you're talking about, Buddhist do not pray to Buddha

You are speaking from a principle point of view. But in real life, they absolutely do.

Let me ask you. Do you know what general Buddhists in a country like Sri Lanka use the Itipiso Gatha for? Thats just a small aspect.

Please enlighten. Try not to talk about principles because as I already said, in principle there is no point praying to the Buddha. I speak basically about what people do.

 

[firedragon]

To me it does not.

Maybe you should read them.

 

[ajay0]

Is Buddha God?

Buddha is not considered as God in Buddhism . However the state of enlightenment renders him as auspicious, and consequently he is worshiped by some of a devotional temperament.

The same goes for Hindu, Jain and Sufi enlightened masters due to the factor of auspiciousness associated with them, and hence their living presence or tombs are considered to be centers of pilgrimage for gaining grace.

However this auspicious Buddha nature or state of enlightenment exists as a possibility in all human beings.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Maybe you should read them.

I have some, not a lot, but I do not need to. I see Buddha can also be found in the Bible and the Koran. All those scriptures also offer what the Buddha offered.

This is the spiritual aspect I talk of and not the laws of the age.

Regards Tony

 

[Martin]

To me it does not. That is because I read anything attributed to Buddha in the light of what Baha'u'llah offered. As such I personally choose to sort what is most likely a light from God and what likely is darkness from men attributing it to God.

The Writings of Buddha appear to have been greatly corrupted by athiest views.

That's my opinion and not that of the Baha'i Faith.

Regards Tony

I'm puzzled by your comment about the writings of Buddha being greatly corrupted by athiest views. What's the basis for this view?

 

[Lyndon]

You are speaking from a principle point of view. But in real life, they absolutely do.

Let me ask you. Do you know what general Buddhists in a country like Sri Lanka use the Itipiso Gatha for? Thats just a small aspect.

Please enlighten. Try not to talk about principles because as I already said, in principle there is no point praying to the Buddha. I speak basically about what people do.

i was a Therevada Buddhist monk, for God's sake, we do not pray to the Buddha, but pay him respect, nothing more

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm puzzled by your comment about the writings of Buddha being greatly corrupted by athiest views. What's the basis for this view?

I was amazed to read many follow Buddha do not believe in a creator.

"Buddhism is a religion that does not include the belief in a creator deity, or any eternal divine personal being."

Creator in Buddhism - Wikipedia

Regards Tony

 

[Martin]

I was amazed to read many follow Buddha do not believe in a creator.

"Buddhism is a religion that does not include the belief in a creator deity, or any eternal divine personal being."

Creator in Buddhism - Wikipedia

Regards Tony

Why were you amazed? It's pretty clear that Buddhism is a non-theist tradition.

 

[firedragon]

I have some, not a lot, but I do not need to. I see Buddha can also be found in the Bible and the Koran. All those scriptures also offer what the Buddha offered.

This is the spiritual aspect I talk of and not the laws of the age.

Regards Tony

Bible and Quran etc etc are not relevant. Whats relevant is that without even making an attempt at reading the Buddhist scripture, making facade claims about them and what they say.

I withdraw from that conversation.

 

[firedragon]

i was a Therevada Buddhist monk, for God's sake, we do not pray to the Buddha, but pay him respect, nothing more

You may not pray to the Buddha.

But others do.

You are committing an anecdotal fallacy. And you of course seem not to answer a single question. I asked you about the Itipiso Gatha and how Buddhists in a country like Sri Lanka use it in general life. If you dont know, say you dont know. But try your best not to make claims about every single Buddhist in the world as if you can read millions of peoples minds, and make fallacies based on your personal experience. Maybe you were a monk, and you and your monastery or other monks knew better and they didnt pray to the Buddha.

But others do.

Thus, try your best not to make strawman arguments as well. I didnt say "YOU PRAY FOR THE BUDDHA". I also didnt say "Your monastery, or even your country, or even your whole group of Buddhists pray to the Buddha".

Other people do.

 

[sayak83]

Is Buddha God?

No. God is a lesser being than Buddha. God aspires to become Buddha. (I am speaking in accordance with Nikaya texts).

 

[stvdv]

Obviously not, though I have studied the Buddhist suttas extensively, which is the closest approximation we can now get to what the Buddha said.
I'm not a fan of woolly syncretism, particularly when it involves misrepresention.

I have my info from the most reliable source

 

[Lyndon]

You may not pray to the Buddha.

But others do.

You are committing an anecdotal fallacy. And you of course seem not to answer a single question. I asked you about the Itipiso Gatha and how Buddhists in a country like Sri Lanka use it in general life. If you dont know, say you dont know. But try your best not to make claims about every single Buddhist in the world as if you can read millions of peoples minds, and make fallacies based on your personal experience. Maybe you were a monk, and you and your monastery or other monks knew better and they didnt pray to the Buddha.

But others do.

Thus, try your best not to make strawman arguments as well. I didnt say "YOU PRAY FOR THE BUDDHA". I also didnt say "Your monastery, or even your country, or even your whole group of Buddhists pray to the Buddha".

Other people do.

Sri Lanka is the same Therevada Buddhist, they don't pray to Buddha, they pray Namo Buddha, I pay respect to the Buddha, namo means respect

 

[Martin]

I have my info from the most reliable source

And what is this "reliable source"?

 

[stvdv]

And what is this "reliable source"?

Sathya Sai Baba

 

[Martin]

Sathya Sai Baba

Never heard of him/her. Who is he/she, what tradition, etc?

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

I don't think Buddha cared about Gods perspective. He wasn't a Brahmin.

Yet, does it matter what one chooses to call the perspective itself…?

He, who despite experiencing existence in a limited way, via the human senses, still learns to live and prioritise as though he were not limited to and by his ego (self-perspective), arrives at an outlook that transcends worldliness regardless of what he chooses to call it.

He is still Man and shall - within this realm at least - remain so, but he lives by Devine perspective nonetheless. That is their beauty and it may not really require “caring about” it in the way you address above.


Humbly
Hermit

 

[Lyndon]

Sathya Sai Baba

the child molester??

Allegations of sexual molestation continue to dog Sai Baba

 

[Martin]

Yet, does it matter what one chooses to call the perspective itself…?

He, who despite experiencing existence in a limited way, via the human senses, still learns to live and prioritise as though he were not limited to and by his ego (self-perspective), arrives at an outlook that transcends worldliness regardless of what he chooses to call it.

He is still Man and shall - within this realm at least - remain so, but he lives by Devine perspective nonetheless. That is their beauty and it may not really require “caring about” it in the way you address above.


Humbly
Hermit

Yes, it does matter if one is genuinely interested in understanding the teachings of a tradition, rather than just seeing it through the lens of another.
For example, "Divine perspective" sounds incongruous in a Buddhist context.

 

[firedragon]

Sri Lanka is the same Therevada Buddhist, they don't pray to Buddha, they pray Namo Buddha, I pay respect to the Buddha, namo means respect

They pray to the Buddha. You dont, they do.

This does not have anything to do with Namo Buddha or what ever phrases they use. Yes of course Namo means respect. Actually its more like "my respected or beloved". People pray to the Buddha and ask him for things. Like "Keep my child safe please". Dear Buddha. I am going for an interview. Please bless me to get the job. etc etc. And you talk about a word called Namo. Mate. Namo is paying obeisance to something. I am not talking about that. Namo matha, namo pidar, namo surya, namo chandhra, namo buddha. Irrelevant.

Third time I ask you. If you dont know just say so. But its obvious you dont know so no answer. Its alright not to know something. Buddhism doesnt teach anyone to pray to the Buddha. But some people do.

For what do they use the Itipiso Gatha?