Is Cannabis the Answer?

[Shadow Wolf]

It makes no sense if your high!!

Let's say I am: there is no established correlation between societal drug use and Trump's EC-only win.
Let's say I am not: there is no established correlation between societal drug use and Trump's EC-only win.
And, let's not forget, large parts of yesterday's free-love drug subculture of the 60s turned into today's Conservatives. Large parts of them are still pretty far Left leaning, though for the most part most of them where more centrist when they were young by today's standards than today's youth, who are generally more socially Left leaning than their parents.

 

[Parchment]

I thought promoting drug use was against the rules and TOS for the forum.

I have a boil with an eyeball on it.

 

[David1967]

How can this plant still be illegal?

Good question Deeje. Its natural, doesn't have the sometimes harmful, even deadly after effects of many legal prescription drugs. Has been shown to have healing properties for so many different illnesses......So why on earth would medical marijuana be illegal?

 

[savagewind]

If alcohol, cigarettes, and Pop Tarts are legal, then marijuana in any form should be legal too imo.
If those other things would be illegal, then marijuana should be illegal also.

It's about being fair, I think.

 

[David1967]

Marijuana made my Manic depression psychosis episodes worse and more frequent, when I was smoking pot I was being hospitalized 5150 2-3 times a year, since I quit smoking pot years ago I don't even get hospitallized in fact my manic depression is in remission and I no longer get manic or depressed episodes. People that think mental illness and marijuana are a good mix are certifiable crazy IMHO.

Then by all means, don't smoke it Lyndon. But on the other side of the argument ,I have a friend whos granddaughter (3 years old) suffers from seizures. Constant debilitating seizures. The only thing that has helped her is cannabis oil. This by the way does not get her high, it does however stop her seizures.

 

[David1967]

Sacred Herb healed my friend's Stage 4 Bowel Cancer ! It is indeed a wonderful healing herb, and if some folk choose to smoke it that is their choice.

Good for your friend! Was she smoking it or taking it another way?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I thought promoting drug use was against the rules and TOS for the forum.

Advocating the legalization of an illegal drug isn't against the rules. Telling someone that they should, right now, take an illegal drug or participate in illegal activity is.
Also, marijuana is legal in my state both medically and recreationally. So if I talked about that one time I had a pot brownie (I wasn't impressed), it wouldn't be against forum rules because I did so legally.

 

[David1967]

In all of my years on this planet I have yet to find one person who had a bad experience with cannabis, either medically or recreationally. Yet I see the damage alcohol causes.

This is a point that I have made many times. For the record, I don't smoke pot or drink alcohol. But I do think it is the height of hypocrisy that alcohol is legal yet pot, even medicinal is not.

 

[savagewind]

I might offer a hypothesis that smoking WITH drinking might lessen accidents which are due to drinking alone.
The reason is that (imo) drinking numbs perception but smoking heightens it.
I know a heavy drinker that seems not to have had a drinking accident and the reason why, I think, is because he also smokes.

I said Pop Tarts because I suspect diabetes might possibly have caused bad accidents because of LOW sugar and I think food such as that sometimes causes diabetes.

 

[wicketkeeper]

Lets be totally honest in that addictions are not limited to cannabis, I have seen more damage done to people/families through alcoholism. I know from personal experience the horrors that have unfolded through a loved one being addicted to most forms of alcohol. In fact I have known a number of alcoholics throughout my life and have witnessed the horrorfic outcomes. As for recreational pot smokers, well my friends have not experienced any negative effects.

In the years I worked in mental health I never encountered anyone who was admitted due to problems with cannabis. Obviously it can and does happen, but as I have stated before addictions are not limited to one thing. In the past I have counselled patients who had a wide variety of addictions - one case springs to mind, a man who was addicted to a certain brand of cough medicine.

If you are an adult then it is your choice what you drink/eat/smoke etc I answer only to God, and He provided everything which we need. Cannabis included.

 

[Mindmaster]

Marijuana is certainly not helping you present valid arguments in your posts, maybe you should reconsider??

Well, considering I rarely ever partake and certainly wasn't doing so here I'd just take this as a rule one and something to report. I don't know why I respond to you, it must be a masochistic streak... lol

 

[Mindmaster]

If this thread is unconvincing, then i don't see a reason why you're still staying in this thread, other than to bad mouth about cannabis.

Same opinion as yours

He's not even talking about the thread just constantly saying "you're ignorant" "bs" whatever. MJ doesn't work out for him and he has an axe to grind or something, call me not interested. This is why we can't have nice things - semi-combative conversations going to report fests.

 

[Mindmaster]

Marijuana is certainly not helping you present valid arguments in your posts, maybe you should reconsider??

Just for the record, I have no interest in convincing you of anything because I neither care whether you learn about things or are happy with my comments. I pretty much assume your mind is all made up on things so that would be a wasted effort. I'm not going to flood the thread with a futile argument that won't go anywhere, and the air of the conversation was just casual rather than some massive diatribe on the science of MJ. You got it wrong, so I'm leaving it there.

 

[wicketkeeper]

Good for your friend! Was she smoking it or taking it another way?

She took the oil.

And I totally agree with you about the hypocrisy surrounding cannabis, the System has indoctrinated those who call for its ban !

We can also ban sugar - and drinks/foods with it in, football and any other sport(addiction of gambling), sex - another addiction, shopping - we have addicts to shopping, and finally for this installment of the current post - even sleeping has its addicts.

As I said earlier once folk have reached 18 then it is their choice and not anyone elses.

 

[Mindmaster]

If alcohol, cigarettes, and Pop Tarts are legal, then marijuana in any form should be legal too imo.
If those other things would be illegal, then marijuana should be illegal also.

It's about being fair, I think.

Statistically, high fructose corn syrup is the largest killer due to causing diabetes. It's legal, so yea what gives? If we banned adding sugar / hfc to products we'd shave nearly 250,000 deaths a year (if the American Diabetes Association numbers a right). We should never be consuming these products ever, period.

Cigarettes contain small amounts of radiation due to the fertilizers they are grown with, there are no safe cigarettes and probably no safe vapes -- every single one is contaminated. Alcohol is a systemic chemical killer as well, but focuses on the liver. Once your liver goes you're sure to die, basically.

Marijuana has killed no one other than a bag of doritos, and thus I think it is completely stupid to have on schedule 1 with cocaine and other things like that. I feel the same about mushrooms and LSD, because again, these chemicals cannot kill anyone. Sure, they have some crazy effects or whatever, but certainly harmless. Take too much shrooms? You'll just puke. Take too much LSD? You'll be high as balls, but you will come down. There will be nothing lingering. Of all these "recreational" drugs, MJ has the shortest duration. You are sober in 2-3 hours, vs screwed the entire night for anything else. The reason it is popular is because you have to drive home, and you will be sober if you toke up at the start of the party by the end. That's why people do it, in a nutshell...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If ... Pop Tarts are legal, then marijuana in any form should be legal too imo.

LMAO!!! So true!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Alcohol is a systemic chemical killer as well, but focuses on the liver. Once your liver goes you're sure to die, basically.

In moderation alcohol has some great health benefits. It's when it's abused is when it's bad. When it comes to pot, heavy, chronic usage is the only group in any studies I have read that indicate issues with pot.

 

[David1967]

moderation

There's the key word.

 

[Mindmaster]

In moderation alcohol has some great health benefits. It's when it's abused is when it's bad. When it comes to pot, heavy, chronic usage is the only group in any studies I have read that indicate issues with pot.

You certainly can form a habit, of that I have no doubt. But, we are habitual creatures... It's a habit of one's own repetition rather than a chemical addiction. You'd have to take a lot of MJ, far more than most people can afford, to actually experience the negatives of MJ. And, you'd have to be hitting it really hard, not just like smoking at parties with friends.

 

[Deeje]

As someone on day 4 of quitting after 3 years, weed is not "the answer". In these advanced situations it can certainly be a good tool in the arsenal, but it's not the all encompassing miracle drug people like to pretend it is.

It never was the demon drug that people made it out to be in the first place. Abuse of any substance will be damaging, but certainly no worse than most of the "legal" drugs that doctors prescribe every day. More people die from abusing prescription drugs than illegal ones. That is a verifiable fact.

Alcohol and tobacco are legal, yet they cause more damage to health than medicinal cannabis ever could.

The focus of this thread is NOT recreational strains of marijuana, (high THC's, low CBD's) but the medicinal strains of the plant (high CBD's, low THC's) that can, and have provided much needed relief for sufferers of all kinds of medical conditions. The evidence is there and it cannot be denied any longer. But people are prevented from even trying it to see if it helps with their conditions. It doesn't have to be smoked....it can be delivered via a concentrated oil or in a tincture....safe even for young children.

Marijuana stops child's severe seizures - CNN.com

Why are doctors so eager to prescribe very dangerous drugs with horrendous side effects, or even very dangerous and invasive surgery, when medicinal cannabis has no side effects and proven efficacy in the treatment of so many conditions?

Cannabis was used routinely in medicines before 1937, when suddenly it was removed....and it wasn't because it was dangerous, yet that was the claim. It has been demonized ever since.

Education and recognition of the reasons why this plant is still a banned substance in many countries and states, when legal substances (way more detrimental to health and society are freely available,) is the question we should all be asking.