Is Cannabis the Answer?

[Lyndon]

Advocating the legalization of an illegal drug isn't against the rules. Telling someone that they should, right now, take an illegal drug or participate in illegal activity is.
Also, marijuana is legal in my state both medically and recreationally. So if I talked about that one time I had a pot brownie (I wasn't impressed), it wouldn't be against forum rules because I did so legally.

Shadow wolf specifically recommened taking illegal psylocybin mushrooms on a regular basis, maybe you need to look back over their posts.

 

[Lyndon]

Lets be totally honest in that addictions are not limited to cannabis, I have seen more damage done to people/families through alcoholism. I know from personal experience the horrors that have unfolded through a loved one being addicted to most forms of alcohol. In fact I have known a number of alcoholics throughout my life and have witnessed the horrorfic outcomes. As for recreational pot smokers, well my friends have not experienced any negative effects.

In the years I worked in mental health I never encountered anyone who was admitted due to problems with cannabis. Obviously it can and does happen, but as I have stated before addictions are not limited to one thing. In the past I have counselled patients who had a wide variety of addictions - one case springs to mind, a man who was addicted to a certain brand of cough medicine.

If you are an adult then it is your choice what you drink/eat/smoke etc I answer only to God, and He provided everything which we need. Cannabis included.

Well then you never met me, over 50 5150 psych hospitalizations specifically linked to smoking pot, how do I know, because when I quit smoking it the hospitalizations stopped, and its been over 81/2 years now, pot has a long history of ruining some people's lives and only pot smokers are in denial of that.

 

[McBell]

... pot has a long history of ruining some people's lives and only pot smokers are in denial of that.

Please be so kind as to explain the videos in the OP.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Shadow wolf specifically recommened taking illegal psylocybin mushrooms on a regular basis, maybe you need to look back over their posts.

I think it's meant to be interpreted as 'I think psylocybin should be legal and part of more people's diet' rather than 'you should go out and illegally obtain these mushrooms. You're welcome to report it and see what the other moderators think. I doubt it will be changed but I'm still pretty new to the mod biz.

 

[Milton Platt]

No, no, weed is not the answer. Weed is the question, the answer is yes.

LOL. I thought the answer was weed, but after smoking a ton of it in the 70's, I'm not sure what the question was, and frankly, it doesn't matter any more.

 

[psychoslice]

It's not physically addictive, but some people can form a psychological dependence on it. But that can happen with anything. It happens with the Internet and video games, too.

I believe its the brain that is affected, and that is physical, and also as you said, psychologically, so that would make it an addictive drug all round.

 

[psychoslice]

In all of my years on this planet I have yet to find one person who had a bad experience with cannabis, either medically or recreationally. Yet I see the damage alcohol causes.

People who are novices with regards to cannabis or any other herb should perform due diligence.

The Sacred Herb has many other uses, Henry Ford made a car from hemp ! It was a hardy vehicle too. Homes can be made from hemp, rope, clothing etc etc.

But Henry didn't smoke the car lol.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I believe its the brain that is affected, and that is physical, and also as you said, psychologically, so that would make it an addictive drug all round.

There's no scientific evidence that cannabis is physically addictive. You just have a personal grudge against it because of your experiences.

 

[1137]

It never was the demon drug that people made it out to be in the first place. Abuse of any substance will be damaging, but certainly no worse than most of the "legal" drugs that doctors prescribe every day. More people die from abusing prescription drugs than illegal ones. That is a verifiable fact.

Alcohol and tobacco are legal, yet they cause more damage to health than medicinal cannabis ever could.

The focus of this thread is NOT recreational strains of marijuana, (high THC's, low CBD's) but the medicinal strains of the plant (high CBD's, low THC's) that can, and have provided much needed relief for sufferers of all kinds of medical conditions. The evidence is there and it cannot be denied any longer. But people are prevented from even trying it to see if it helps with their conditions. It doesn't have to be smoked....it can be delivered via a concentrated oil or in a tincture....safe even for young children.

Marijuana stops child's severe seizures - CNN.com

Why are doctors so eager to prescribe very dangerous drugs with horrendous side effects, or even very dangerous and invasive surgery, when medicinal cannabis has no side effects and proven efficacy in the treatment of so many conditions?

Cannabis was used routinely in medicines before 1937, when suddenly it was removed....and it wasn't because it was dangerous, yet that was the claim. It has been demonized ever since.

Education and recognition of the reasons why this plant is still a banned substance in many countries and states, when legal substances (way more detrimental to health and society are freely available,) is the question we should all be asking.

Wow, all I said was it's no miracle drug. Chill out. Maybe smoke some weed

 

[psychoslice]

Foxglove makes a life saving medication.

Yes as cannabis can also, I know this is of topic, but I was looking at the street use of drugs, and the only reason I brought that up was that a lot of uses support their drug, either uses medically or on the streets.

 

[psychoslice]

There's no scientific evidence that cannabis is physically addictive. You just have a personal grudge against it because of your experiences.

But now, ain't you doing the same thing ?..........be honest now ?.

 

[Deeje]

Well then you never met me, over 50 5150 psych hospitalizations specifically linked to smoking pot, how do I know, because when I quit smoking it the hospitalizations stopped, and its been over 81/2 years now, pot has a long history of ruining some people's lives and only pot smokers are in denial of that.

Lyndon, can I ask if marijuana was the only drug you took?

Those who are hospitalized for drug abuse are usually there for using a combination of drugs. Any drugs combined with others or alcohol can be a potent mixture. Any drug that is abused will make you sick.

But we aren't talking about the use of recreational marijuana....we are talking here about the benefits of medicinal cannabis....a completely different strain of this plant, used for an entirely different reason. Lets focus on that and getting some education about the medicine. Only when compassion is stronger than profit will we see a change. The evidence is there for all to see.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think it's meant to be interpreted as 'I think psylocybin should be legal and part of more people's diet' rather than 'you should go out and illegally obtain these mushrooms. You're welcome to report it and see what the other moderators think. I doubt it will be changed but I'm still pretty new to the mod biz.

And as I pointed out, something like pot, it treats so many different things that a good number of people would medically benefit in some way, even if their use in primarily recreational.
And to clarify for those who aren't aware, CBD isn't the only cannabonoid in cannabis that gives it medicinal properties, but rather there are many various ones, including THC, that work in conjunction to give pot it's reputation for helping with things so regular and mundane such as arthritis and menstrual cramps, to far more complicated and serious issues such as AIDs and cancer.
As for psilocybin, it's easily the best anti-depression and anti-anxiety substance I am aware of, and unlike any regular psychotropic medication, possible side effects do not include irritability, confusion, extreme fatigue, decreased libido, or increased risk of suicide. You may get a belly ache.

 

[1137]

There's no scientific evidence that cannabis is physically addictive. You just have a personal grudge against it because of your experiences.

Pretty much anything can be physically addictive. Considering cannabis withdrawal is a thing, we actually know that it is, in fact, physically addictive in some situations. Sure, if you smoke once in a while you're fine, and any sustained amount of time altering your brain with chemicals will cause it to adapt, to change its disposition. It's silly to pretend it can't be physically addictive, but it probably has to do with physical addiction being seen negatively. Yet when you think about it, even things like SSRIs are physically addictive, and this does not imply they're evil and should be avoided.

As far as first hand experience goes, withdrawals are definitely real.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Pretty much anything can be physically addictive. Considering cannabis withdrawal is a thing, we actually know that it is, in fact, physically addictive in some situations. Sure, if you smoke once in a while you're fine, and any sustained amount of time altering your brain with chemicals will cause it to adapt, to change its disposition. It's silly to pretend it can't be physically addictive, but it probably has to do with physical addiction being seen negatively. Yet when you think about it, even things like SSRIs are physically addictive, and this does not imply they're evil and should be avoided.

As far as first hand experience goes, withdrawals are definitely real.

I've noticed a rather nasty cycle where someone isn't addicted to any particular substance, but they are addicted to being high in general. So typically from what I have personally seen, it's usually a situation of no, they aren't drinking alcohol anymore, but they're now always stoned.

 

[1137]

I've noticed a rather nasty cycle where someone isn't addicted to any particular substance, but they are addicted to being high in general. So typically from what I have personally seen, it's usually a situation of no, they aren't drinking alcohol anymore, but they're now always stoned.

I went from pain pills to medical marijuana actually. Now in all fairness, not as a rationalization, the marijuana was much safer than the codeine, much easier to function on, etc. It did work as a good medicine, but it's far more along the lines of pain meds than, say, the anti depressants I take. Even the way I treated it and debated quitting made it clear I was addicted to it for a while, but because it's "safer" we all (not just me, even my family and often doctors) just kind of ignored it. I'm on day 3 now though, and can certainly vouch for the fact, especially as a former codeine abuser, that it is physically addictive. I mean, I think it can be great, I know a little boy who used to have 300 seizures a day and marijuana has helped him immensely. But as I said, my point was simply it's not the miracle drug people are pretending.

 

[Deeje]

I went from pain pills to medical marijuana actually. Now in all fairness, not as a rationalization, the marijuana was much safer than the codeine, much easier to function on, etc. It did work as a good medicine, but it's far more along the lines of pain meds than, say, the anti depressants I take. Even the way I treated it and debated quitting made it clear I was addicted to it for a while, but because it's "safer" we all (not just me, even my family and often doctors) just kind of ignored it. I'm on day 3 now though, and can certainly vouch for the fact, especially as a former codeine abuser, that it is physically addictive. I mean, I think it can be great, I know a little boy who used to have 300 seizures a day and marijuana has helped him immensely. But as I said, my point was simply it's not the miracle drug people are pretending.

All we ask is to be allowed to test it out on ourselves. We will take full responsibility. OK?
Our own results will speak for themselves.

 

[1137]

All we ask is to be allowed to test it out on ourselves. We will take full responsibility. OK?
Our own results will speak for themselves.

If you think personal experience trumps physiological fact you probably should avoid playing with fire.

 

[Deeje]

If you think personal experience trumps physiological fact you probably should avoid playing with fire.

If you watch the videos in the OP you will see that it has the potential to be used in many medical situations. Particularly watch the second last and last videos.

 

[1137]

If you watch the videos in the OP you will see that it has the potential to be used in many medical situations. Particularly watch the second last and last videos.

I never denied any such thing. Anti depressants are also quite beneficial yet physiologically addicting. Like I also already said, our culture tends to associate physiological addiction with negativity. But if you study things like psychology, you'll learn that what it comes down to is simply function vs. dysfunction. Like I also, also (?) already said, I've seen it go both ways. But it seems this conversation is about pushing an agenda, not an open discussion on marijuana use.