Is Catch 22 God`s plan?

[rajakrsna]

Is catch 22( damned if you do & damned if you don`t) God`s plan? You see, you are made here to choose an option which is between the devil & the deep blue sea. Does catch 22 lead to derision or redemption? Any takers?

 

[Ronald]

Not-- Y H V H --plan at all. What universe did you come in from?


Shalom

 

[rajakrsna]

Not-- Y H V H --plan at all. What universe did you come in from?


Shalom

If it`s not God`s plan then what is it? God`s the Cause of all causes. It`s man who proposes but it`s God who disposes.:bow:

 

[Cordoba]

The 2 options we have are very clear:

1- Believe in God and use our free will to follow His Guidance in this life

2- Disbelieve and claim that God does not exist

From a believer's perspective, option 1 leads to a happy life here and in the Hereafter, whereas option 2 leads to the opposite

Each individual is free to choose ...

 

[rajakrsna]

The 2 options we have are very clear:

1- Believe in God and use our free will to follow His Guidance in this life

2- Disbelieve and claim that God does not exist

From a believer's perspective, option 1 leads to a happy life here and in the Hereafter, whereas option 2 leads to the opposite

Each individual is free to choose ...

Let`s say you are the WBC heavyweight boxing champion & prelude to a most awaited fight of the century, your 8 year old daughter was kidnapped. The ransom is that you ditch the fight or something bad happens to her. In other words, you are accountable to your fans/country if you ditch the fight & win your daughter`s freedom from her captors if you do. Which is which? Another example. What if you`re running for President of the USA? Your daughter is kidnapped & something bad would happen to her in exchange that you cancel your candidacy & let somebody run instead(polls say you will win by a landslide)?

 

[w00t]

God would be a despicable deity if you were not permitted to exercise free will and reject the concept of a deity, and be thrown into hell for doing so!

 

[rajakrsna]

God would be a despicable deity if you were not permitted to exercise free will and reject the concept of a deity, and be thrown into hell for doing so!

Is God therefore a paradox?

 

[Phasmid]

Let`s say you are the WBC heavyweight boxing champion & prelude to a most awaited fight of the century, your 8 year old daughter was kidnapped. The ransom is that you ditch the fight or something bad happens to her. In other words, you are accountable to your fans/country if you ditch the fight & win your daughter`s freedom from her captors if you do. Which is which? Another example. What if you`re running for President of the USA? Your daughter is kidnapped & something bad would happen to her in exchange that you cancel your candidacy & let somebody run instead(polls say you will win by a landslide)?

How is that relevant to the post you quoted?

 

[rajakrsna]

How is that relevant to the post you quoted?

If I were that WBC heavyweight boxing champion & that US presidential candidate I gave as an example of what catch 22 is? If these are really God`s plan? Then I`d rather chose to let my 8 year old daughters live even It`s only my self- esteem that`s devastated here & not these human lives I treasure most. I`d rather dye( my hair) so others may live?:grill:

 

[Quagmire]

Is catch 22( damned if you do & damned if you don`t) God`s plan?

Life is a series of choices. Everytime we choose something we give up something, so yes (or "blessed if you do, blessed if you don't" depending on how you look at it).

Does catch 22 lead to derision or redemption?

That's a choice too. I think the trick is being at peace with the choices you make. It's the people who go through life second guessing themselves, or driving themselves crazy trying to figure out how to have it both ways that are in hell.

 

[rajakrsna]

Life is a series of choices. Everytime we choose something we give up something, so yes (or "blessed if you do, blessed if you don't" depending on how you look at it).



That's a choice too. I think the trick is being at peace with the choices you make. It's the people who go through life second guessing themselves, or driving themselves crazy trying to figure out how to have it both ways that are in hell.

There`s a saying, " You can choose your friends but not your relatives.":slap:

 

[Quagmire]

There`s a saying, " You can choose your friends but not your relatives.":slap:

Yeah, but you can choose which relatives you want to be friends with.

 

[rajakrsna]

Yeah, but you can choose which relatives you want to be friends with.

& that also goes to your relatives who doesn`t want to choose you as their friend.

 

[doppelganger]

If you want to avoid "God's wrath" all you have to do is chant "Jesus is my Lord and Savior. Jesus is my Lord and Savior." over and over again. It also cures diabetes.

 

[doppelganger]

There`s a saying, " You can choose your friends but not your relatives.":slap:

You can pick your friends. And you can pick your nose. But you can't pick your friend's nose.

 

[Phasmid]

If I were that WBC heavyweight boxing champion & that US presidential candidate I gave as an example of what catch 22 is? If these are really God`s plan? Then I`d rather chose to let my 8 year old daughters live even It`s only my self- esteem that`s devastated here & not these human lives I treasure most. I`d rather dye( my hair) so others may live?:grill:

I think I get you. I thought you were using the above metaphorically, but you're using them as real world examples... and all the question marks are confusing. Right, I see your point, but isn't what you're saying a bit... wait... what's your point? I'm not sure if this is a criticism of religion or what.

You could also ask, "Is pain part of God's plan?" "Is the study of dinosaurs part of God's plan?" "Is Weird Al Yankovic part of God's plan?" "Is my thumb part of God's plan?" In other words, what is God's plan? I don't really understand what you're trying to point out.

 

[rajakrsna]

I think I get you. I thought you were using the above metaphorically, but you're using them as real world examples... and all the question marks are confusing. Right, I see your point, but isn't what you're saying a bit... wait... what's your point? I'm not sure if this is a criticism of religion or what.

You could also ask, "Is pain part of God's plan?" "Is the study of dinosaurs part of God's plan?" "Is Weird Al Yankovic part of God's plan?" "Is my thumb part of God's plan?" In other words, what is God's plan? I don't really understand what you're trying to point out.

When our house was destroyed by fire almost 2 years ago, our friends were telling us not to worry because God has a better plan for that.:sad4:

 

[4ton Mantis]

so far nobody has given a good example of a catch-22. so i'll use one from the actual book. If you fly dangerous missions in WWII you have to be insane, if you are insane you cannot fly anymore missions. but if you don't want to fly any more missions and request that you're mentally unfit to fly missions, you must be sane.

 

[rajakrsna]

so far nobody has given a good example of a catch-22. so i'll use one from the actual book. If you fly dangerous missions in WWII you have to be insane, if you are insane you cannot fly anymore missions. but if you don't want to fly any more missions and request that you're mentally unfit to fly missions, you must be sane.

That story came from the novel" Catch 22" written by Joseph Heller. It was the character named Yossarian who said that it was a catch.

 

[rajakrsna]

so far nobody has given a good example of a catch-22. so i'll use one from the actual book. If you fly dangerous missions in WWII you have to be insane, if you are insane you cannot fly anymore missions. but if you don't want to fly any more missions and request that you're mentally unfit to fly missions, you must be sane.

Joseph Heller the author of the novel Catch 22 was himself a flyer in WWII.