Is Christ superior to other Prophets/Founders

[loverofhumanity]

Yes, but there seems to be some discrepancy between the faithful and the critical thinking community regarding what truth is and how it is decided. To the critical thinker, none of the religions can be called true if they're faith-based, since faith is not a path to truth.


I'd say they begin with those (my definition of religion requires a supernatural element). You probably think that your scriptures are neither manmade nor contain superstition, but to the skeptic, they are both. And you probably consider them truth. To the skeptic, they are full of unfalsifiable claims, which he does not call truth or knowledge.

I believe in the invisible powers of the spiritual and virtues which are qualities of character which we know exist but not on the physical plane. So virtues like love, justice, tolerance and compassion are invisible to the senses. They are part of all religious teachings. So progressively we are evolving into more mature beings. Humanity has advanced and progressed from the tribe to the international community but I believe this due to the direct influence of the Prophets of God. For example - love thy neighbour in the time of Christ, love thy country at the time of Muhammad and now it is to love all humanity taught by Baha’u’llah For this age. The critical thinking community I believe, if fair and just, will acknowledge the positive contributions religion has made throughout the ages and that our physical senses cannot detect many invisible powers that influence our lives.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I am sorry, I don't believe either of them are major Teachers or Avatars.

As far as I know the World Teachers of the past few Ages are:

• 10000-8000 BC Age of Leo - Hermes Trismegistus (Egypt)
• 8000-6000 BC Age of Cancer- Hercules (Greece)
• 6000-4000 BC Age of Gemini - Rama (India)
• 4000-2000 BC Age of Taurus - Mithra (Europe)
• 2000 - 0 BC Age of Aries - Krishna (India)
• 0 - 2000 AD Age of Pisces - Jesus (Middle-east)

Neither did the people of past ages accept the Teachers you have mentioned initially. In the early days Christ had but a few disciples. Look now! In the beginning it is only a few who accept the major Teachers. So too I believe in time it will be the turn of Baha’u’llah. But the important thing here is the message of unity, peace and reconciliation of religions, races and nations.

 

[Brian2]

Right. " go forth and subdue the earth"
is a terrif teaching.

Yes bringing order into a wild place of disorder is a good teaching, and especially was at the time it was given to humans.

 

[Truthseeker]

But it's not a point of view. The Baha'i claim is that their prophet and their religion is The Truth for today.

Truth is timeless. All the religions have aspects of the same truth. It's just the religious laws that have to be adjusted for today.

I stand by my statement. We are all individuals with our individual point of view. @Vinayaka has his point of view and @loverofhumanity has his. There is plenty of room for different opinions and there's no need to fight about it.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Truth is timeless. All the religions have aspects of the same truth. It's just the religious laws that have to be adjusted for today.

I stand by my statement. We are all individuals with our individual point of view. @Vinayaka has his point of view and @loverofhumanity has his. There is plenty of room for different opinions and there's no need to fight about it.

It’s about opening Our hearts and minds to one another and collectively working for the betterment of the world for me. And to get to that point we need to find common ground.

 

[SDavis]

How do you figure?

I'm guessing apparently you don't believe in Christ or that he created all things.

Or maybe you are thinking that I am saying Christianity was before Buddha - I said Christ was before Buddha.

In the Old Testament the Canaanites of the City of Salem, by whom Melchizedek was king of and high priest to the most high God whom they called El / Elohim. Elohim turned from the Canaanites and made a covenant with Abraham, he changed his name and became Yahweh through Moses. Born in the New Testament in a flesh body his name was Yeshua in the Hebrew and Jesus in English.

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People have a tendency to start in the middle instead of the beginning. The worship of God has always been since the creation of man. The Sumerians are the oldest civilization in the world and because they didn't have a named religion they're not considered - but they worshiped gods Anu _ Enlil _ Enki who seem to have several offshoots to other civilizations. Abraham was from the city of Ur which was a city of ancient Sumeria, now called Mesopotamia.

What's the world's oldest civilization?

Did the first civilization arise in Mesopotamia, or elsewhere?

www.livescience.com

 

[SDavis]

I understand that from what limited archaeological evidence that there is, that Jesus and Gautama were broadly contemporaries of each other, at approximately 4-6 century BCE.

Who do you believe Jesus is or do you believe in him. Because if you did you know that before he walked the Earth in the flesh body and was called Yeshua English name Jesus, he existed.
Even if one was to say he is not God In the flesh - one cannot deny he is the Son of God .... David said kiss the Son lest he be angry and ye perish in the way .... David also said the Lord said unto my Lord sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool .... Daniel said another in the fiery furnace with them and he looked like the Son of God .... In the Book of Genesis it is written let us make man in our image - man has become as one of us.

People are looking at the name - and not how long the one carrying that name existed - not believing the one that carries that name created all things as written in John chapter 1 which makes him older then the Earth herself - which makes him eternal Buddha is not eternal.

 

[Secret Chief]

Who do you believe Jesus is or do you believe in him. Because if you did you know that before he walked the Earth in the flesh body and was called Yeshua English name Jesus, he existed.
Even if one was to say he is not God In the flesh - one cannot deny he is the Son of God .... David said kiss the Son lest he be angry and ye perish in the way .... David also said the Lord said unto my Lord sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool .... Daniel said another in the fiery furnace with them and he looked like the Son of God .... In the Book of Genesis it is written let us make man in our image - man has become as one of us.

People are looking at the name - and not how long the one carrying that name existed - not believing the one that carries that name created all things as written in John chapter 1 which makes him older then the Earth herself - which makes him eternal Buddha is not eternal.

I refer to Jesus the human, who likely lived in the time period I alluded to.

 

[Secret Chief]

you said, "Reincarnation (of an abiding entity) is NOT a Buddhist teaching." abiding, (of a feeling or memory) lasting a long time; enduring.

now deja vu, is a French loanword for the phenomenon of feeling as though one has lived through the present situation before.

101G

Ah, I see what you meant.

 

[Apostle John]

What verses are you using to support the belief that before Jesus returns, there will be tribulations? Then, I wonder, why Baha'is don't believe Christians are interpreting them correctly, or if they believe that the tribulation time did happen?

I’m referring to the book of Revelation, particularly chapter 6 onwards which is supported by the Olivet discourse by Lord Jesus, chapters in Daniel as well as other verses in the Bible. From this Christians know the Tribulation is a seven year period, the latter half is called the Great Tribulation. There hasn’t been a seven year period in history when the prophecy in Book of Revelation has been satisfied.

 

[Secret Chief]

I believe the future promised Buddha Maitreya has appeared and through His Son He conveyed that originally Buddha taught the oneness of God. I do not believe that humanity possesses all of Buddha’s authentic teachings and so we infer this through belief that Maitreya confirms it.

Fair enough. Obviously you will be aware in Buddhist eschatology, Maitreya has yet to manifest. And of course, Gautama taught nothing of the Abrahamic deity.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Neither did the people of past ages accept the Teachers you have mentioned initially. In the early days Christ had but a few disciples. Look now! In the beginning it is only a few who accept the major Teachers. So too I believe in time it will be the turn of Baha’u’llah. But the important thing here is the message of unity, peace and reconciliation of religions, races and nations.

Good luck!

 

[CG Didymus]

It’s about opening Our hearts and minds to one another and collectively working for the betterment of the world for me. And to get to that point we need to find common ground.

Yes, that's a great idea. Much better than, "Open your hearts and minds to see that my prophet brought the truth for today. Join us and follow his teachings and the world will become a better place." Ultimately, that's what the message of the Baha'i Faith seems to be. You have the truth. You have the teachings that will bring peace and unity. No other religion of the past can do that. Where's the "common" ground in that?

 

[dybmh]

I am immune to indoctrination

Hmmmm... that's interesting. Care to put that to the test?

 

[lukethethird]

I’m a critical thinker and have yet to see evidence that proves the evolution theory. There isn’t any evidence where man has shown how a new species has been created under any controlled circumstances. I ask you to show what you mean or shall I assume more bluster.

You will never be accused of nor will you ever be mistaken for a critical thinker at this rate. You have no idea what critical thinking involves so it won't do you any good to claim that you are one.

 

[idea]

Who is superior?

The question requires dualism - right/wrong up/down - like asking is your mom or dad superior? Mom's better at this, dads better at that, is one really better than another?

Any book teaches deep truths.
Any person can be a teacher, everyone is a prophet.

When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

Jesus said "I am God, and ye are God's- everyone is God, everyone is a prophet.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Hmmmm... that's interesting. Care to put that to the test?

I wrote, "I am immune to indoctrination." Sure, put it to the test. What test did you have in mind? Do you think that's impossible or very difficult to resist indoctrination? I don't. One just learns to identify when an idea is adequately supported and when one is not, accepting only the former. It's really not harder than arithmetic - just rules for arriving at sound conclusions. Once one assimilates them, he does it effortlessly and automatically.

 

[dybmh]

I wrote, "I am immune to indoctrination." Sure, put it to the test. What test did you have in mind?

Great! I expect this will be a fun experiment regardless of how it turns out! And honestly I hope you are immune and it is a role model for myself and others. However, all of this could be moot if I don't really understand indoctination and what is required to avoid it in all circumstances ( aka immunity ).

At it's most basic level, indoctrination is a fault of conflating quantity with quality? Avoiding this in all circumstances comes from defaulting to healthy skepticism and returning to that skepticism when confronted with new information or new unanswered questions? If a person allows this skepticism to become compromised as a result of the volume of repetitions of an assertion, then they are liable to become indoctrinated?

If so, then the test will be to see if you return to a position of skepticism when presented with new credible information and credible unanswered questions. Or, is this skepticism compromised by the volume of equally credible sources.

 

[CG Didymus]

I’m referring to the book of Revelation, particularly chapter 6 onwards which is supported by the Olivet discourse by Lord Jesus, chapters in Daniel as well as other verses in the Bible. From this Christians know the Tribulation is a seven year period, the latter half is called the Great Tribulation. There hasn’t been a seven year period in history when the prophecy in Book of Revelation has been satisfied.

I don't think Baha'is believe that a Great Tribulation was supposed to happen before their prophet came. But now, I think they do expect times to get very bad because the world essentially rejected their prophet.

 

[CG Didymus]

Truth is timeless. All the religions have aspects of the same truth. It's just the religious laws that have to be adjusted for today.

Okay, what are those "aspects of the same truth"? Take those things out of all religions and put them aside. Now do the same with the laws found in each religion and take them out and put them aside. What is left? I think there's still beliefs in each religion that can't be called "laws" or "aspects" of the same truth. In Christianity one those things would be their beliefs about how sin entered the world and how it took the sacrifice of dying on the cross by Jesus that allowed those that belief in him to be saved. What is that? Is it true? Does your religion believe that? Especially the part where sin entered the world through Adam's disobedience?

I think there are those types of beliefs in all religions that make them very different and very contradictory to each other.