Is Christ superior to other Prophets/Founders

[Apostle John]

How about "you're not aware of any return of Christ? Or maybe, so far you haven't seen any evidence that you're willing to accept that Christ has returned? Then again, if you've decided to believe what you believe no matter what then we're done, but if you're willing we can talk about it.

The Tribulation hasn’t taken place yet as described in the Bible, ergo the second advent of Christ has not taken place yet. There have been many false Christs. The disciples of Lord Jesus Christ were warned of them appearing by the Lord Himself as written in the Bible.

 

[Trailblazer]

Your religion has a peculiar, fictional slant on Bible prophecy. Christ has not returned yet.

There is no slant because history and geography that fulfilled the prophecies actually existed, they are not fictional.
But you and the other Christians have to believe that so you can keep waiting for the same Jesus to return even though Jesus said He was no more in the world.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

 

[Apostle John]

There is no slant because history and geography that fulfilled the prophecies actually existed, they are not fictional.
But you and the other Christians have to believe that so you can keep waiting for the same Jesus to return even though Jesus said He was no more in the world.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.​

 

[CharmingOwl]

The other prophets cannot be satan inspired because they did not study LHP occultism. Additionally, the deity Satan comes from the Arabic word Sheitan which was a djinn before eventually evolving into a demon lord due to people working with that deity over time. The Devil mentioned in Christianity would have be Lucifer but sometimes King Belial, Beelzebub, or other demons who govern the legions of hell. If they were satanic inspired then we would see Buddhists, Hindus, other spiritual systems wielding satanic magic and dark powers. Considering how underground the LHP is, there's no way in my mind that many modern spiritual systems are working with these energies.

I think Jesus was actually not teaching people the things they need to know. He taught the people of a single god and didn't go into ancestor worship, the angels and demons, and did not teach anything occult. He was basically a philosopher and modern Christianity, Islam, and Judaism from the pagan POV seem more like philosophies and moral codes than religions that teach you how to interact with deities and gods.

 

[Truthseeker]

Krishna is not a prophet. Please respect the Hindu view, and stop altering it to suit your agenda. (I have very low expectations.)

Oh, come on, everyone is entitled to their point of view. You are entitled to yours.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

It seems you have been indoctrinated with something other than the truth.

I am immune to indoctrination, which is the passive absorption of ideas following repetition of them. It's not difficult to learn how to never let that happen to oneself, but it must be actively learned.

You have nothing to go by to disprove prophecy and the existence of God.

I don't have to disprove those prophecies to reject them as evidence of divine prescience. I just need to read them and see that they resemble exactly what many human beings do, including fortune tellers and astrologists. They're vague, often predict mundane events, and not useful.

There isn’t any evidence on creation only supposition.

That's a good reason for a critical thinker to reject the claim that a god put all of this here.

The corroborating evidence I have is the level and quality of prophecy with a wealth of archaeology and extra biblical documents that conclusively support the Biblical timeline. Others have nothing remotely of this quality of evidence.

That's the evidence I use to reject those prophecies - the low level and quality of them. Regarding prophecy, scientific prophecy dwarfs religious prophecy. It is very specific, predicts very unexpected things, and can be used to predict how nature will unfold under controlled circumstances:

"Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science?" - Carl Sagan

The reason my thinking is that the word supernatural doesn't fit is because if you do a search key words (list world religions) you end up w/ several that do NOT fixate on a supernatural being --Buddhism, Scientology, Taoism, etc.

It's how I define the word religion. I don't use it to describe naturalistic worldviews. Others call just about anything a religion, such as science or humanism. I don't.

Demanding a supernatural will end up ruling out a log of the world's religions.

I've already chosen to ignore all religions as I define them, whatever others call them. I'm simply not interested in any worldview that involves sentient universe creators with miraculous powers that transcend nature. That's why that element is central to my definition of religion. They are all treated the same way, so why not call them all the same thing, and to separate out naturalistic worldviews.

the question I was hoping you'd answer was, "Please share what u mean by "supernatural". Are you referring that which cannot be observed by others? Something not physical? Please tell us what u mean."

I thought I did answer it when I wrote, "gods are supernatural, meaning that they're said to not be part of nature and to exist outside of it." Supernatural is a religious idea, like God. It's the name believers give to the proposed denizens, spaces, and rules that he believes exist and which conceals his god from the senses. It's an incoherent idea in my estimation, since it proposes that there is something that is not nature but can interact with it. If it exists, it's nature, and if it doesn't interact with nature - if is never makes any impact on matter in any place at any time - it doesn't exist. If you want to say that something that does exist actually exists but doesn't, like ghosts, leprechauns and vampires, just call it supernatural. For whatever reason, this satisfies many.

Have you heard of Sagan's dragon in the garage? It fits that description. It fails to interact with physical reality, but it is claimed that it's there anyway. Here's a perfect description of a supernatural dragon:

"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage."
"Show me," you say.
I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.
"Where's the dragon?" you ask.
"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."
You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.
"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."
Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.
"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."
You'll offer to spray-paint the dragon to make her visible.
"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."
And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work. Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists?

 

[Apostle John]

That's a good reason for a critical thinker to reject the claim that a god put all of this here.

Regarding prophecy, scientific prophecy dwarfs religious prophecy. It is very specific, predicts very unexpected things, and can be used to predict how nature will unfold under controlled circumstances:

I’m a critical thinker and have yet to see evidence that proves the evolution theory. There isn’t any evidence where man has shown how a new species has been created under any controlled circumstances. I ask you to show what you mean or shall I assume more bluster.

 

[Pete in Panama]

The Tribulation hasn’t taken place yet as described in the Bible, ergo the second advent of Christ has not taken place yet. There have been many false Christs. The disciples of Lord Jesus Christ were warned of them appearing by the Lord Himself as written in the Bible.

Ah, you don't want to answer my questions. That's fine, many would consider them "leading questions" anyway. At any rate please be aware that many would consider your attitude to be along the lines of you believe what you believe and the issue is closed. For example, you said

The Tribulation hasn’t taken place yet as described in the Bible

Personally, I never saw that anywhere, even after internet searching in the KJV Bible for "tribulation hasn't". No problem, what I get is you don't seem to be interested in looking w/ me at what we can see in the Bible becuase you already got what you want.

... There have been many false Christs. The disciples of Lord Jesus Christ were warned of them appearing by the Lord Himself as written in the Bible.

Some time I really do think it would be worth your while to check out the part that comes next.

What you said about the "false Christs and false prophets" is spot on, but imho it should be sobering. Like, you're really sure that you and your gang is the truth and any thing anyone else says is false. A different approach is Matthew 24:42 "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." To me that means nobody has the TRUTH in their back pocket, we all have to be careful and check things out. All of us. To me it's more honest to check these things w/ others, but I understand that not everyone sees it that way.

 

[Trailblazer]

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.​

That's right. His kingdom was in heaven, not on earth.

THE TRUE MEANING OF THE PROPHECIES CONCERNING THE COMING OF CHRIST

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I’m a critical thinker

You believe in gods by faith. That's fine, but it's not critical thought. Critical thought on the matter of gods takes one to agnostic atheism, not theism, which requires a leap of faith.

have yet to see evidence that proves the evolution theory.

There is no debate in the scientific community. The evidence overwhelmingly supports that the theory is correct. It's fine if you don't believe it.

There isn’t any evidence where man has shown how a new species has been created under any controlled circumstances.

Speciation is an observed fact.

I ask you to show what you mean or shall I assume more bluster.

You keep presenting your failure to understand as somebody else's failure. There's no bluster in my post. If any of it seems like bluster to you, it simply means that you didn't understand it. You addressed almost none of what was written to you anyway. What part needs explaining?

 

[soulsurvivor]

This question to me has been a huge cause of strife, disunity and even war. All the great Teachers/Prophets (Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna etc) in history taught spirituality. So in my mind They are all equal with regards to this purpose.

But many Christians , clinging to one or two verses, fanatically assert Christ’s superiority and that other religions are ‘Satan inspired’ and their founders - false prophets. Do you agree with this?

Krishna and Buddha are revered by their followers and were well before the time of Christ yet no mention is made in the Bible that Krishna or Buddha are from Satan. And as the Bible is claimed to be God’s Word and God is All Knowing, no mention either that Muhammad, the Bab or Baha’u’llah are false Prophets. So where is the Bible stating all these other religions are false according to Christians.

There are verses where Christ says He is the beginning and the end but so too did Krishna say the same thousands of years before Christ appeared. So why the insistence on Jesus being superior when if anything Jesus taught love above anything else. Why is supremacy so important to so many Christians?

The gods send a major teacher approximately every 2160 years according to the precession of the equinox. Jesus is the latest of these World Teachers (that of the Age of Pisces). The Teacher for the Age of Aquarius will be here soon. Each teacher brings his own message. All such messages are of equal importance.

 

[101G]

Reincarnation (of an abiding entity) is NOT a Buddhist teaching.

Oh, deja vu then?

101G

 

[Secret Chief]

Oh, deja vu then?

101G

I'm sorry, what do you mean? (I know what the expression means).

 

[CG Didymus]

The Tribulation hasn’t taken place yet as described in the Bible, ergo the second advent of Christ has not taken place yet. There have been many false Christs. The disciples of Lord Jesus Christ were warned of them appearing by the Lord Himself as written in the Bible.

What verses are you using to support the belief that before Jesus returns, there will be tribulations? Then, I wonder, why Baha'is don't believe Christians are interpreting them correctly, or if they believe that the tribulation time did happen?

 

[CG Didymus]

Oh, come on, everyone is entitled to their point of view. You are entitled to yours.

But it's not a point of view. The Baha'i claim is that their prophet and their religion is The Truth for today. That it has come with new laws and teachings that are meant to replace the laws and teachings of the past religions.

And that's what some of us are arguing about... Is the Baha'i Faith really what it claims to be? If it is, all of us should listen to what the Baha'i Fatih says and no longer practice and follow any of the older religions. But... some of us don't believe it is. We have lots of questions and doubts about the claims of the Baha'i Faith. And that is why Baha'is just can't spew out things and not support them.

 

[CG Didymus]

You have nothing to go by to disprove prophecy and the existence of God.

Right here on this thread we have Christians and Baha'is claiming that their guy has fulfilled all the prophecies except a few and they are in the process of being fulfilled. Some of them can't be fulfilled by both Jesus and Baha'u'llah, so one of you is wrong. Or... both

I am immune to indoctrination

How many proselytizing religions come at people with "proof" and the "truth" from their Scriptures. Christians contradict other Christians and even call some of them false. Then Baha'i come in and say that all those beliefs and doctrines of any of the many, many sects of Christianity are wrong. That they have the truth for today from the man who is the true one from God, the return of Christ, Baha'u'llah.

They all have good stories. And they all have their Scriptures to show us that what they say and believe is true. So, come on all you religious people. What do you expect? Should we give in to the first one that we meet? Their story sounds just as good as anybody else's? Or should we wait listen, learn, read up on it, evaluate it and compare the different stories?

And some of us have and have rejected them all. There is always weird stuff, unprovable beliefs in things we can't see. But the weird stuff and beliefs in things we can't see in each religion is a little different. If we can't prove or see it, which one are we supposed to go with? None of them isn't a bad thing to do... And being "immune" to being fooled and indoctrinated.

 

[loverofhumanity]

How do you know this?

I believe the future promised Buddha Maitreya has appeared and through His Son He conveyed that originally Buddha taught the oneness of God. I do not believe that humanity possesses all of Buddha’s authentic teachings and so we infer this through belief that Maitreya confirms it.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The gods send a major teacher approximately every 2160 years according to the precession of the equinox. Jesus is the latest of these World Teachers (that of the Age of Pisces). The Teacher for the Age of Aquarius will be here soon. Each teacher brings his own message. All such messages are of equal importance.

It’s good to see people open to the idea that God does send Teachers regularly to guide humankind. I believe Two were sent in the 19th century, the Bab and Baha’u’llah to help bring peace and unity to this planet.

 

[101G]

I'm sorry, what do you mean? (I know what the expression means).

you said, "Reincarnation (of an abiding entity) is NOT a Buddhist teaching." abiding, (of a feeling or memory) lasting a long time; enduring.

now deja vu, is a French loanword for the phenomenon of feeling as though one has lived through the present situation before.

101G

 

[soulsurvivor]

It’s good to see people open to the idea that God does send Teachers regularly to guide humankind. I believe Two were sent in the 19th century, the Bab and Baha’u’llah to help bring peace and unity to this planet.

I am sorry, I don't believe either of them are major Teachers or Avatars.

As far as I know the World Teachers of the past few Ages are:

• 10000-8000 BC Age of Leo - Hermes Trismegistus (Egypt)
• 8000-6000 BC Age of Cancer- Hercules (Greece)
• 6000-4000 BC Age of Gemini - Rama (India)
• 4000-2000 BC Age of Taurus - Mithra (Europe)
• 2000 - 0 BC Age of Aries - Krishna (India)
• 0 - 2000 AD Age of Pisces - Jesus (Middle-east)