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Nimos

Well-Known Member
We have not come from mammals, because we are still mammals.
The mammals have not come from fish, because mammals are still fish.
I see no logic here.
Going to address the headline first :D

Even if you are a Christian and for whatever reason skeptical about evolution, no one ought to get their information from Kent Hovind, he doesn't have a Doctorial degree which is worth anything. He simply refer to himself as that, in hope of adding some credibility. The guy knows practical nothing about evolution at all.

PROOF OF FREEWILL:
The fact that we were alive a year ago does not mean that we were dead a year ago. The fact that we were alive a year ago does not mean that we are not alive a year ago. It's just that our language is not perfect, and that's why you use the word "were".
There is no (atheistic) reason that September 2021 is currently on the calendar. Indeed, in Einstein's Theory (very well and thoroughly tested) there is no concept of "today" and "now", any time-point in your biography is one big TODAY. You thought in 2020 “today is the 2020th year”, and it has not disappeared anywhere: today, in 2021, it’s the same 2020. But you see only 2021 on the calendar so that you can perform Free Actions and Free Choice between Good and Good (but not "arbitrariness" between Good and Evil) - you have Free Will. Just because you have Freedom, you feel how the wall-clock is running. Yes, if the postulate of causality has no exceptions, then there is no Freewill. BUT I HAVE LOGIC IN THE TOPIC !!! THIS MEANS THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.
How does that proof anything?

PROOF OF CREATIONISM:
Because there is a mystery of Dark Matter and Dark Energy, the History of the Universe is divided into two parts: Virtual and Actual. The border of separation is 7000 years ago. Therefore, light reaches us millions of years from distant galaxies, although the actual history of the universe is only 7000 years old. Light in flight becomes from the virtual design of God into the actual implementation of the plan for the creation of the world. The Dark Matter and Dark Energy are remnants of this virtual world.
What? What does that have to do with proof of creation?
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
We have not come from mammals, because we are still mammals.
The mammals have not come from fish, because mammals are still fish.
I see no logic here.

PROOF OF FREEWILL:
The fact that we were alive a year ago does not mean that we were dead a year ago. The fact that we were alive a year ago does not mean that we are not alive a year ago. It's just that our language is not perfect, and that's why you use the word "were".
There is no (atheistic) reason that September 2021 is currently on the calendar. Indeed, in Einstein's Theory (very well and thoroughly tested) there is no concept of "today" and "now", any time-point in your biography is one big TODAY. You thought in 2020 “today is the 2020th year”, and it has not disappeared anywhere: today, in 2021, it’s the same 2020. But you see only 2021 on the calendar so that you can perform Free Actions and Free Choice between Good and Good (but not "arbitrariness" between Good and Evil) - you have Free Will. Just because you have Freedom, you feel how the wall-clock is running. Yes, if the postulate of causality has no exceptions, then there is no Freewill. BUT I HAVE LOGIC IN THE TOPIC !!! THIS MEANS THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.

PROOF OF CREATIONISM:
Because there is a mystery of Dark Matter and Dark Energy, the History of the Universe is divided into two parts: Virtual and Actual. The border of separation is 7000 years ago. Therefore, light reaches us millions of years from distant galaxies, although the actual history of the universe is only 7000 years old. Light in flight becomes from the virtual design of God into the actual implementation of the plan for the creation of the world. The Dark Matter and Dark Energy are remnants of this virtual world.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
I can prove to all skeptics that this is my biography:
CV: Dmitri Martila
After all, there are my contact details, and in the list of published articles there are articles in the highest physics journals, but also in the Russian newspaper: World of Orthodoxy. There is no need to be surprised and demand a public renunciation of faith: I am in the company of such faithful physicists as Newton and Einstein, and other Nobel laureates.
If there were no creation story in the Bible for Hovind to defend then the discoveries of an old earth and evolution would make perfect sense to him. The earth doesnt look ANYTHING like the creation story in Genesis.

It would seem that God created life as we know it through the process of evolution.

The Israelites created the creation story of Genesis by appropriating Mesopotamian lore and for an Israelite audience.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
We have not come from mammals, because we are still mammals.
The mammals have not come from fish, because mammals are still fish.
I see no logic here.

PROOF OF FREEWILL:
The fact that we were alive a year ago does not mean that we were dead a year ago. The fact that we were alive a year ago does not mean that we are not alive a year ago. It's just that our language is not perfect, and that's why you use the word "were".
There is no (atheistic) reason that September 2021 is currently on the calendar. Indeed, in Einstein's Theory (very well and thoroughly tested) there is no concept of "today" and "now", any time-point in your biography is one big TODAY. You thought in 2020 “today is the 2020th year”, and it has not disappeared anywhere: today, in 2021, it’s the same 2020. But you see only 2021 on the calendar so that you can perform Free Actions and Free Choice between Good and Good (but not "arbitrariness" between Good and Evil) - you have Free Will. Just because you have Freedom, you feel how the wall-clock is running. Yes, if the postulate of causality has no exceptions, then there is no Freewill. BUT I HAVE LOGIC IN THE TOPIC !!! THIS MEANS THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.

PROOF OF CREATIONISM:
Because there is a mystery of Dark Matter and Dark Energy, the History of the Universe is divided into two parts: Virtual and Actual. The border of separation is 7000 years ago. Therefore, light reaches us millions of years from distant galaxies, although the actual history of the universe is only 7000 years old. Light in flight becomes from the virtual design of God into the actual implementation of the plan for the creation of the world. The Dark Matter and Dark Energy are remnants of this virtual world.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
I can prove to all skeptics that this is my biography:
CV: Dmitri Martila
After all, there are my contact details, and in the list of published articles there are articles in the highest physics journals, but also in the Russian newspaper: World of Orthodoxy. There is no need to be surprised and demand a public renunciation of faith: I am in the company of such faithful physicists as Newton and Einstein, and other Nobel laureates.
Hovind is a crook, a charlatan and an idiot. You may draw appropriate conclusions.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
We have not come from mammals, because we are still mammals.
The mammals have not come from fish, because mammals are still fish.
I see no logic here.
Kent Hovind is a mammal with a criminal record.
Anything he claims is fishy.
The logic of that seems pretty clear to me.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
We have not come from mammals, because we are still mammals.
The mammals have not come from fish, because mammals are still fish.
I see no logic here.

PROOF OF FREEWILL:
The fact that we were alive a year ago does not mean that we were dead a year ago. The fact that we were alive a year ago does not mean that we are not alive a year ago. It's just that our language is not perfect, and that's why you use the word "were".
There is no (atheistic) reason that September 2021 is currently on the calendar. Indeed, in Einstein's Theory (very well and thoroughly tested) there is no concept of "today" and "now", any time-point in your biography is one big TODAY. You thought in 2020 “today is the 2020th year”, and it has not disappeared anywhere: today, in 2021, it’s the same 2020. But you see only 2021 on the calendar so that you can perform Free Actions and Free Choice between Good and Good (but not "arbitrariness" between Good and Evil) - you have Free Will. Just because you have Freedom, you feel how the wall-clock is running. Yes, if the postulate of causality has no exceptions, then there is no Freewill. BUT I HAVE LOGIC IN THE TOPIC !!! THIS MEANS THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.

PROOF OF CREATIONISM:
Because there is a mystery of Dark Matter and Dark Energy, the History of the Universe is divided into two parts: Virtual and Actual. The border of separation is 7000 years ago. Therefore, light reaches us millions of years from distant galaxies, although the actual history of the universe is only 7000 years old. Light in flight becomes from the virtual design of God into the actual implementation of the plan for the creation of the world. The Dark Matter and Dark Energy are remnants of this virtual world.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
I can prove to all skeptics that this is my biography:
CV: Dmitri Martila
After all, there are my contact details, and in the list of published articles there are articles in the highest physics journals, but also in the Russian newspaper: World of Orthodoxy. There is no need to be surprised and demand a public renunciation of faith: I am in the company of such faithful physicists as Newton and Einstein, and other Nobel laureates.
Aren't we all walking the roads of those that came before us?

Don't we have a duty to ourselves and others to seek help when we lose track of the road and confuse what we want with what is?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Because there is a mystery of Dark Matter and Dark Energy, the History of the Universe is divided into two parts: Virtual and Actual.
The border of separation is 7000 years ago.


I am in the company of such faithful physicists as Newton and Einstein, and other Nobel laureates.

When you make ignorant, irrational comments like the ones quoted above, you make it clear you have no understanding of science nor of the works of people like Einstein and Newton.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
I can prove to all skeptics that this is my biography:
CV: Dmitri Martila
After all, there are my contact details, and in the list of published articles there are articles in the highest physics journals,


Your CV is listed on
Eesti Teadusinfosüsteem
What is
Eesti Teadusinfosüsteem?

Is it a research center? Or is it someplace for anyone and everyone to pot whatever nonsense they wish to post - including their "CV".


Your "publications", are not peer-reviewed articles. Indeed they are not even articles. They are blog posts or forum posts. If you have some that were actually published in peer-reviewed publications, I'm sure you would be proud to post a link to one.


Your post has proven nothing - nothing.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
There are papers in Physical Review E (the office on the Science street in New York),
and European Physical Journal B.
Wonderful. Then you would gladly post a link to them, wouldn't you?


BTW: I don't think there is a Science street in New York. I could be wrong.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
He is controversial within the Young Earth Creationist movement, and Answers in Genesis openly criticized him for continued use of discredited arguments abandoned by others in the movement.

If AIG criticizes another fundie, his actions/comments must really be bad.


If God of Kent becomes proven, then any sin of Kent becomes not important, because it is he, who introduced me to Creationism.

Kent Hovind introduced you to Creationism. You accepted Creationism based on the words and teachings of known fraud. That doesn't say much for your critical thinking abilities.
 
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