I know. I was being somewhat flippant. Soz
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Is Einstein in hell for Hiroshima?
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That would have been my question, Truman didn't have a clue to 'bomb' as Roosevelt left him without knowledge of it.
PruePhillip
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Comparatively few people died in those two A-bombs. As many as 20,000,0000
Japanese could have died if America and Russia invaded - many of them from
suicide or fighting. The incendiary bomb took far more lives. And the two A-bombs
accounted for about 2% of the total damage done to Japan.
So no, Einstein saved lives. But Einstein didn't 'invent' the bomb, science did.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
This is a common myth, which was invented by the famous inventor Georgy Gamov. In fact, Einstein called his greatest mistake a letter to President Roosevelt dated August 2, 1939, urging nuclear research program.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
Stop showing my wife!This would also mean that Hell is topless.
Terrible punishment indeed.
Note:
This image is mildly erotic, but not obscen.
The gal is covered appropriately, & the danger hidden.
So let's have no one file mischievous reports, OK.
exchemist
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I don't think anyone on this thread is suggesting Einstein invented it, actually.
Pilgrim Soldier
Active Member
Not sure where you got the notion that God always loves and can't get angry for a second. But that notion can only be found in someone's imagination.
God said He hates certain people and loves others, why would God love evil people who rape and murder children
questfortruth
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capumetu
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The Bible reveals that all who die go to hell sir. Logically he was not one of those listed in Rev 20:6 who is part of the first resurrection, therefore he is still awaiting a resurrection. After the Kingdom is established on earth Mat 6:10 then the resurrection of the earthly ones will start, and eventually hell will be emptied Rev 20:13
Almost any technological discovery may be misused. Dynamite was developed as an industrial tool. The A-Bomb was intended to kill and destroy. Does that Make Al Nobel less culpable than Oppenhiemer and Groves of the Manhattan Project? Einstein didn't develop Relativity theory with bombs in mind.
Was Hiroshima any worse than The Fire-bombing campaign against Tokyo, using conventional blockbusters and napalm incendiary and cluster bombs? A single bombing raid on 10 March, '45 killed and injured more people than Little Boy did in Hiroshima.
And what about the terror-bombing of Dresden? That was an attack on civilians, to undermine morale and create a refugee crisis.
Aren't all members of the military condemned to Hell? The whole institutional purpose of the military is to kill people and destroy things, which would seem to violate Christian moral precepts.
Maybe Jesus can take your sins upon himself, but your Captain can't. A soldier is individually responsible for his actions.
Bombing a city, or firing on a building that may contain a civilian, differ only in degree, not in moral hazard.
Another aspect of this is that the scientists who built the bomb asked that it not be used on real people, but instead that a 'demonstration' explosion be done in full view of the Japanese.
It was the military that decided against that course of action. Of course, there were a limited number of bombs available at the time and there was a real fear that one could be a dud. And, using one in a demonstration would mean one fewer if the Japanese decided to keep fighting.
Blame can go around. Einstein's blame is probably the least of those involved.
It was the military that decided against that course of action. Of course, there were a limited number of bombs available at the time and there was a real fear that one could be a dud. And, using one in a demonstration would mean one fewer if the Japanese decided to keep fighting.
Blame can go around. Einstein's blame is probably the least of those involved.
Or.....
Einstein deserves less credit than many others who
used nukes to end the war sooner, thereby saving
many lives, & also illuminating to the world that we
all should avoid their use again.
Charcoal, I'd say. Hell is more of a darker shade of charcoal. I recommend burgundy pin stripes.
exchemist
Veteran Member
In fact, the physicists that saw the risk of Nazi Germany getting a bomb would have blamed themselves far more if they had not warned of the risk and Germany had succeeded. And they most certainly were on it.
The enduring mystery is why they made such limited progress. There is a suggestion that Heisenberg, who worked on the German programme, may have somehow slowed it down deliberately. It's a nice thought, although I gather recent research doesn't give the idea a great deal of credence. Michael Frayn wrote rather a good play about it: Copenhagen (play) - Wikipedia which hinges on a trip Heisenberg made to Copenhagen to see Neils Bohr. Nobody knows why he went or what they talked about.
Hitler called atomic fission "Jewish science," and opposed it. Then, Hitler realized its vast potential as as a bomb, and had his scientist almost develop it.
Einstein's famous letter to President FDR suggested that the US fund A-bomb research.
Einstein, Oppenheimer (father of the A-bomb), et al, were Jewish, and the world was embroiled in a war with Hitler's Nazis (attacked peaceful nations, and tortured and kills Gays, Blacks, freaks, and Jews). It's a miracle that the US (and allies) won. If it hadn't been for Hitler's mistake of attacking its ally, Russia, Hitler would have won (then, upon global domination, attack its allies, Japan. Italy, and Russia).
Some Manhatten Project (A-bomb) were Christian, like Enrico Fermi (who later made the first nuclear reactor for electric power). So lets not say that just the Jews are going to hell.
Many physicists knew the importance of defeating Hitler (tyrranical abuse of the world forever, torture camps, death camps, and bigotry). When the Manhatten Project (A-bomb) began, it didn't look like victory was even possible. Many physicists also knew that the A-bomb was going to be a curse on the world once it was invented. Some wanted to share it with the world in order to balance terror (Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD).
Ted and Ethyl Rosenburg were framed by the FBI and executed for leaking A-bomb plans to Russia. They were innocent, but his uncle confessed shortly before his death. This created the Cold War with Russia. SALT agreements were signed by President Reagan and Russia, which limited nukes only between their two nations. In the mean time, the world caught up, and we are now in negotiagions between Biden and Putin to limit nuclear arms, which is a horrible idea while the rest of the world is building nukes.
God gave Jews the message "eye for an eye," and the conflicting message "thou shalt not kill." Christians are supposed to abide by these Jewish laws, since the Old Testament must also be followed. Christians are in charge of the United States, and the US has awesome weapons of mass destruction. So, Christians must temper their anger or the world will suffer (nuke bombings, etc).
Christians are supposed to "turn the other cheek" but it takes a lot of faith in God to allow God to handle our enemies rather than let people build nukes. Do we trust that God can do it?
When the al Qaeda attacked the United States, we trusted that President W. Bush had our interests in mind when he declared war on the peaceful and inspected nation of Iraq. W. Bush had defied God's orders (in Revelation) not to attack Babylon, Iraq. W. Bush had defied God's orders to "turn the other cheek" and "not kill."
W. Bush lacked faith in God, and W. Bush was wrong and God was right. God knows the future, and God is all knowing. W. Bush should not have lied to the American people about Weapons of Mass Destruction, and shouldn't have pretended that he had CIA and FBI intel that we could not access regarding Iraq. W. Bush shouldn't have had his minions (Colin Powell) lie to us about WMD.
Satan's lies and fear motivated acceptance of war with peaceful Iraq. We may not approve of the various things that Iraq did (listed in the War Power Resolution of 1998, signed by President Clinton and Congress to stir up trouble to have Saddam assassinated), but they didn't deserve mass murder (roughly 1,000,000 killed, and General Tommy Franks said that we're not in the business of counting dead bodies).
While nuclear war and the cold war are terrible things, and contrary to the orders of God, many believe that the US must oppose dictators bent on global destruction. I think that we all can understand.
Einstein's famous letter to President FDR suggested that the US fund A-bomb research.
Einstein, Oppenheimer (father of the A-bomb), et al, were Jewish, and the world was embroiled in a war with Hitler's Nazis (attacked peaceful nations, and tortured and kills Gays, Blacks, freaks, and Jews). It's a miracle that the US (and allies) won. If it hadn't been for Hitler's mistake of attacking its ally, Russia, Hitler would have won (then, upon global domination, attack its allies, Japan. Italy, and Russia).
Some Manhatten Project (A-bomb) were Christian, like Enrico Fermi (who later made the first nuclear reactor for electric power). So lets not say that just the Jews are going to hell.
Many physicists knew the importance of defeating Hitler (tyrranical abuse of the world forever, torture camps, death camps, and bigotry). When the Manhatten Project (A-bomb) began, it didn't look like victory was even possible. Many physicists also knew that the A-bomb was going to be a curse on the world once it was invented. Some wanted to share it with the world in order to balance terror (Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD).
Ted and Ethyl Rosenburg were framed by the FBI and executed for leaking A-bomb plans to Russia. They were innocent, but his uncle confessed shortly before his death. This created the Cold War with Russia. SALT agreements were signed by President Reagan and Russia, which limited nukes only between their two nations. In the mean time, the world caught up, and we are now in negotiagions between Biden and Putin to limit nuclear arms, which is a horrible idea while the rest of the world is building nukes.
God gave Jews the message "eye for an eye," and the conflicting message "thou shalt not kill." Christians are supposed to abide by these Jewish laws, since the Old Testament must also be followed. Christians are in charge of the United States, and the US has awesome weapons of mass destruction. So, Christians must temper their anger or the world will suffer (nuke bombings, etc).
Christians are supposed to "turn the other cheek" but it takes a lot of faith in God to allow God to handle our enemies rather than let people build nukes. Do we trust that God can do it?
When the al Qaeda attacked the United States, we trusted that President W. Bush had our interests in mind when he declared war on the peaceful and inspected nation of Iraq. W. Bush had defied God's orders (in Revelation) not to attack Babylon, Iraq. W. Bush had defied God's orders to "turn the other cheek" and "not kill."
W. Bush lacked faith in God, and W. Bush was wrong and God was right. God knows the future, and God is all knowing. W. Bush should not have lied to the American people about Weapons of Mass Destruction, and shouldn't have pretended that he had CIA and FBI intel that we could not access regarding Iraq. W. Bush shouldn't have had his minions (Colin Powell) lie to us about WMD.
Satan's lies and fear motivated acceptance of war with peaceful Iraq. We may not approve of the various things that Iraq did (listed in the War Power Resolution of 1998, signed by President Clinton and Congress to stir up trouble to have Saddam assassinated), but they didn't deserve mass murder (roughly 1,000,000 killed, and General Tommy Franks said that we're not in the business of counting dead bodies).
While nuclear war and the cold war are terrible things, and contrary to the orders of God, many believe that the US must oppose dictators bent on global destruction. I think that we all can understand.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
About 40 years ago, I was asked by a friend whether I would launch a nuclear counterattack as President if the Soviet Union launched a nuclear attack on us, and I said I probably would. However, later the same day, I realized that I couldn't do that because all too many innocent people would be killed, and I have never varied from this belief.
To the OP question, the scriptures do teach repentance, which Einstein did do, and also forgiveness.
BTW, also Oppenheimer apologized for his part of this.
To the OP question, the scriptures do teach repentance, which Einstein did do, and also forgiveness.
BTW, also Oppenheimer apologized for his part of this.
exchemist
Veteran Member
I cannot see what Einstein needed to repent of. All he did was warn that the Germans could develop an atom bomb and that the US should therefore try to do so first to pre-empt them. Surely that was wise advice and with nothing immoral about it?
Seldom recognized, he killed as many Soviet citizens.
Also murdered....homosexuals, Romani, disabled, & other groups.
Holocaust victims - Wikipedia
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Also socialists and communists, Jehova's Witnesses, and a whole bunch of German civilians on top of it. But I'd say that the fact that the Nazis were deliberately rounding up Jews to murder them would sit pretty centrally in his mind. Being a leftist, pacifistic Jewish intellectual, it's likely that he knew a few people who were disappeared into cattle trains, never to be seen again.