Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
How do you mean?
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Is Evolution Conscious (Some amazing points about evolution)
- Thread starter Robert.Evans
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How do you mean?
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
It is later here.
I will have to come back tomorrow. Thanks for the replies so far.
But what I want is realistic feet on the ground answers, not sceince answers. I understand that it evolves from mutations and that natural selection and other facts comes into play, in order to select the best. But that does not answer things like this.
What of the shape of the face, the raised eyebrows, the eyebrows themselves, the shape of the nose, the mouth, the positioning of them all; the cartlidge for when we swallow etc. They have to have an advantage over something else.
I will put this in simple terms. I labourer turns up and has every possible tool he needs. Simple to think he could pick the best one for the job, but not simple to explain that he would have them there in the first place, (even if it does take him time to take them out of his bag).
Gotta go
I will have to come back tomorrow. Thanks for the replies so far.
But what I want is realistic feet on the ground answers, not sceince answers. I understand that it evolves from mutations and that natural selection and other facts comes into play, in order to select the best. But that does not answer things like this.
What of the shape of the face, the raised eyebrows, the eyebrows themselves, the shape of the nose, the mouth, the positioning of them all; the cartlidge for when we swallow etc. They have to have an advantage over something else.
I will put this in simple terms. I labourer turns up and has every possible tool he needs. Simple to think he could pick the best one for the job, but not simple to explain that he would have them there in the first place, (even if it does take him time to take them out of his bag).
Gotta go
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Simple life evolved into more complex life. It took billions of years, it didn't happen all at once.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Good point. Why does it keep growing in some places and not in others?
Many people don't have long hair. Groups such as the Khoisan have very curly hair, so that it doesn't drop down over the eyes.
I think you have the answer to how they form. I am asking that after they form how do they find each other?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Why do you assume they would be geographically remote? Why not in the same pool?
Could you give some context here? Are you referring to issues with abiogenesis (i.e. the origins of life) and the development of proteins in their role in life?
OK. You are reading my mind! If they are one foot apart what draws them together to join?
Not life, no. Building materials. How do they join in the right manner?
I understand evolution in higher forms of life. I do not understand how it works in unconsciousness.
I realize that parts of anything do not know to combine. So why do they?
I realize that parts of anything do not know to combine. So why do they?
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About the beginning of complexity, did it begin in only one place or in many places the same way or in many places in different ways?
Well, abiogenesis is somewhat a separate issue, but to address it anyway - life is currently thought to have begun as lipid micelles - these are little bubbles of fat with water inside them, which can form spontaneously in an abiotic environment such as that found on Earth at this time. Then molecules, such as nucleic acids, became ever-more-commonly lodged inside these lipid micelles, which would grow and divide, and the sizes of the nucleic acids and their composition would impact how quickly the micelles could spread, and eventually they came to encode information. This was RNA, a switch to DNA with RNA intermediaries was undertaken later.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I thought so too, and on questions like this the principles of evolution seems to provide common-sense answers. Certainly more sensible than the idea that eyebrows were designed by some supreme being, in which case they become much more difficult to explain!
Of course we've both studied it before, I think, so maybe what seems clearly-put to us isn't to somebody less acquainted with these concepts.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Yes, could be. I'm not an expert by any means but I think I understand the basic principles. Perhaps what a lot of people struggle to grasp is the geological time scales involved in evolution. Two billion years is a long time, with plenty of scope for trial and error, missed opportunities, gradual adaptation and so on. Changes which happen slowly and incrementally over thousands or millions of generations. And so on.
Yeah, there are some serious timeframes involved here.
But with organisms with very short generation times, in particular E. coli etc, you can actually observe macroevolution occurring. And of course many of our earlier ancestors had very short generations.
It is sad that well over a hundred years past we still have not collectively quite grasped the basics of the ToE.
This thread's very existence is a sad testimonial of the failure of our educational systems.
This thread's very existence is a sad testimonial of the failure of our educational systems.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It might make sense to talk about evolution having a direction, one towards increasing complexity. Though assigning a purpose to it seems like a stretch, based on what we currently know. Going further and saying that evolution is conscious looks like pure speculation at this stage.