Is Fascism worse than other forms of Abrahamic Monotheism?

[Jim]

The fascism I'm speaking of is an interior fascism where one is a fascist with themself, and uproots all unhealthy vices.

The Doctrine of Fascism inspires me and has many good qualities. It is deeply spiritual and religious. I hate some of what Mussolini did, but I think the average man would have sided with Hitler were they in his position.

Fascism actually did a lot of good for Italy for nearly two decades. The alliance with Hitler is what made it become ugly.

Fascism itself is not about that.

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Scholars Uncover Secret Message from Mussolini | Smart News | Smithsonian

 

[Catholicus]

How can you say it is any more shameful to be adhering to Fascism than to adhere to Abrahamic Monotheism?

The founder of Fascism

declared Fascism to be a Religion.

It is essentially a very patriotic version of Christianity. There is an old saying that when Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in an American flag with a cross. That statement is actually not far off, as Fascism took place in the heart of Christendom, was cherished by Christians (and originally by many Jews as well) established what we know today as the independent Vatican city state, kept prayer in schools, and was the greatest defender of Abrahamic monotheism for it’s time against the rising attacks of secularists (atheists/communists).

Jews were also welcomed as members of the original Fascist party and there was nothing antisemetic about it. Hitler did not found or start Fascism. He perverted and corrupted it. There is no anti-semetism in the Doctrine of Fascism. Most Christians who despise Fascism, have no clue what Fascism is, and many I've talked to in real life do not even know who founded it, or read a single verse of it's very Christian "Doctrine".

It is arguably the Christian Bible where Hitler got most of his fuel for Anti-semitism, as he convinced Fascists that Jews killed Christ and were the enemies of the early Christians. He blamed Jews for all the persecution of Christianity that was killing tens of millions at that time, and declared Joseph Stalin to be “Their little darling”. This was all over the media. This corrupted many Fascists, including eventually Mussolini, which I find to be very sad, but he was a sinful human as we all are, prone to error and deception. But he was no Hitler by any stretch, he originally despised Hitler, and certainly never intended Fascism to go that direction.

I have had people at RF and in real life say such things as “shame on you for being Fascist”. I lost my recent AA sponsor about two weeks over fascism, both of which I’m cool with, I have thick skin and understand why they would say or do that. It makes sense, due to the lack of understanding, but it still seems like they turn the other way when it comes to other Religions and institutions.

For instance, if you think Fascism is shameful, how is it any more shameful than being Christian, Muslim, or Jewish? Christians, Muslims, and Jews have had their wars of aggression, intolerant governments, bigoted oppression of minorities, scandal, slavery, and sin. The Bible is filled with it. So, is the Qur’an, which has less, but is a smaller book with graphic tortures, crucifixions, and amputations in store for enemies of their prophet.

Despite the actions of Fascists, I find the Doctrine of Fascism to be much more peaceful than the Bible and the Koran, and the Religion of Fascism as I know it, to be one of tolerance, patience, and charity towards others, and being stern with oneself, while having Fascist zeal, patriotism, fervor, spirituality, and determination, but not using any other weapon but prayer and spiritual warfare.

It is interior Fascism I'm fond of, not exterior fascism, meaning it is to discipline oneself and not anyone else. It is a war against personal sins, and the sins of others are to be not judged or condemned. I share Fascism and the inspiration drawn from Il Duce with others, which is a form of exterior Fascism, but I'm very skeptic of ever having a Fascist government again, unless the leader was benevolent, anointed, compassionate, charitable, and knew what was overall best for the nation.

The Doctrine of Fascism also condemns selfishness and individualism, and so, the interior fascist makes war with their own human nature that is naturally selfish and individualistic, seeking more what benefits and builds up the nation.

I call Fascist government to be exterior fascism and Fascist Religion to be interior Fascism. The latter is the one I adhere to and helps me more than any other spiritual practice or Religion. I learn courage from the founder who accomplished the impossible, with a rise to power that I find more courageous, intriguing, and providential than any other figure, and he had many god-like qualities that most people could only dream of having. His Doctrine of Fascism is deeply spiritual and in places resembles a Catechism or even Scripture, like it has Divine inspiration.

He was no worse than Israeli Kings in Scripture or “Men after God’s own heart” like King David who commited adultery and had his right hand man killed for it. Or Joshua, whom God ordered to wipe out men, women, innocent children, babies, and animals.

Was Mussolini worse than the God of Abraham, who hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and then slaughtered the first born of Egypt for it, destroyed countless lives with plagues, famine, hunger, the great flood that wiped out far more than 99.9% of humanity and animals, as well as the destruction of women, children, babies, and cities with fire and brimstone from Heaven?

The Doctrine of Fascism is far more peaceful, loving, and gentle in comparison.

God commanded the Israelites to conquer other nations and even commit genocide and destruction of other cultures repeatedly. The story of God’s chosen people and nation, is full of such calls to violence and intolerance of other cultures, beliefs, and (sadly) even other ethnicities, for God had one separate group that he favored with his covenant, his word, and special blessings.


The land promised to Israel had already belonged to others settling there. The promised land was conquered through bloodshed, violence, the destruction of Kingdoms, and the help of God. God also severely punished Jews in Scripture, willing they endure the horrors of slavery for roughly 400 years, as well as Civil war, invasions, and all sorts of chastisements from him. In fact, God was going to destroy all of Israel, but the prayers of Moses “got God to repent”.

So, if you are a lover of the Abrahamic God, or admire "men after God’s own heart" like King David, or approve of God favoring his chosen ethnicity and culture, how can you find much fault in a figure like Mussolini, the founder of Fascism, who was far less guilty of such actions?

It's impossible to belong to two religions at once, so no one can honestly be both a Christian and a Fascist.

Fascism isn't a form of Monotheism ; Mussolini was a fake Caesar who sought to resurrect the Roman Empire. Though he admired the Catholic Church as an institution (because of its Authority), he hated Christianity - e.g. in his article "Not Christ, but Barabbas."

As for monotheism creating atrocities - where does the New Testament licence or incite anyone to be cruel ? Answer: Nowhere.

As for your "Interior Fascism" - no one can be, or even want to be, good, except by the grace of God.

Goodness is attained by prayer (i.e. spending time with God) and surrendering one's will to God.

Jutting-chinned Willpower achieves less-than-nothing in the way of holiness.

 

[Catholicus]

Il Duce has inspired me more than any other author to pray, sacrifice, suffer for good causes, go to Church, pray the Rosary, fast, rise earlier, be humble, eat healthier, stay off drugs, be a gift to others, don't be selfish, be patriotic, march with purpose, invoke God and helpful spirits, be courageous, and be a fascist with myself, fighting the vices of pride, lust, anger, covetousness, envy, laziness, gluttony, individualism, and hedonism, all of which are condemned in the Doctrine of Fascism or the laws in fascist Italy!

I learn from his mistakes and can see that he was hung upside down and desecrated to atone for his sins, his pride, and his fall. I'm not defending immoral or tyrannical behavior unless there are perhaps forms of that which are overall better for society (the people).

Fascist Rest & Recreation operated via an organisation called "Dopo Lavoro" which was unashamedly hedonistic.

There was always a huge gap between fascist laws / rhetoric and fascist practice.

 

[Jim]

@PopeADope Now I’m reading this:

Fascism — Not Right-wing or Left-wing, but a Genuine Spiritual Movement.

 

[Catholicus]

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I know the anti-fascists love to quote that, but it has a lot of truth to it.


Fascism was extremely unprecedentedly patriotic (Wrapped in the flag) and the most zealous promoter and defender of Christianity (carrying the cross).

Fascism is a force influencing America and the world, and America used to be quite Fascist in many ways. Mussolini made swearing in public and on television a crime. America used to have censorship laws where the media was censored to the point where you were not allowed to swear on TV. Abortion was also illegal. Mussolini banned porn and closed down nightclubs and places that violated Christian morality. Although America was not Fascist by definition, those are policies that are very fascist in the sense that it is what Fascism enforces, and strict censorship of the media.

Leaders of so many countries, especially during the rise of communism, had their enemies imprisoned, assassinated, or executed. There were multiple attempts on Mussolini’s life, he accomplished the impossible, he believed he knew what was best for Italy, and in so many ways he improved Italy, improved the economy, created jobs, motivated the youth, won the approval of the Pope, created the Independent Vatican State, and so much more that convinced him and others that he was the best leader. In order to keep this positive momentum going, he felt the need to silence his enemies, who were killing Fascists as well as made multiple assassination attempts on his life. So, out of love for his country, he did what he thought would be best for his country.


I agree that we should be humble and harm no one. Il Duce failed at that, but sometimes leaders have to kill large amounts of people for the better. Take Abraham Lincoln for example. He had to have hundreds of thousands of Americans killed to end slavery and crush a Rebellion. America dropped the atomic bomb twice on civilians, the greatest act of terrorism in history.

America has committed far more wars of aggression, and has a far greater kill count than Fascist Italy, yet Fascists are painted as the bad guys, and we painted as the saviors of Democracy and freedom. It's unjust!

Mussolini did what he thought best for Italy ?

No, he was an egotist and, at the end, a coward.

The political killings in Italy were performed very largely by fascists.

 

[Catholicus]

He lived every day in danger of death and imprisonment before his rise to power. As prime minister, he was the target leftists wanted assassinated more than others. As Dictator, his opponents were pretty much crushed, so he could be a "Wonderful wizard of Oz", but he lived in chronic danger prior to that. He was facing constant imprisonment or death for his march on Rome (which should have been a disaster) and constant other actions prior to that which made him perhaps the most despised man in Italy for a time. There were multiple attempts to assassinate him. When it was time for him to die, I read that he showed no signs of fear.

He didn't march on Rome; his followers did - Musso arrived later, by train.

Mussolini was protected from danger by his fascist entourage; unlike the opponents he himself ordered to be killed.

He wasn't executed; he was shot while trying, in abject panic, to seize a gun from an enemy - the gun went off.

Musso's panic - which had first led him to desert his faithful companions - was caused partly by his credence of a fortune teller who had told him, years before, that he would die by gunfire.

 

[Catholicus]

A man does not rise from nothing, march on a nation’s capitol, replace a communist-influenced democracy without a coup or military intervention, become the youngest prime minister of Italian history, then dismantle democracy and replace it with his own form of government, working miracles for the economy, creating new jobs, make Italy great again, be celebrated internationally, and other miracles, all through being a good actor. Sorry, not gonna happen!

Mussolini didn't make Italy great - merely hated.

 

[Catholicus]

I actually do constructive charitable deeds, and multiple people have thanked me. I've often been friends with those who are unloved.

. Ive done nothing great in my opinion, but am improving and desire it. No, I don't want to be like Mussolini. I want his positive qualities but don't want to make his mistakes. Therefore, I don't really want to be like him after all.

Please: if you want a hero to follow, choose Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Catholicus]

I draw inspiration from the Aghori but never claimed to be one. Yes, I practice Shamanism, Shintoism, and still do pray to murder victims and war dead. I'm more devoted at any given time to the forces which I find to be most helpful.

Right now I identify as fascist, because I draw much strength and inspiration from the author of fascism and the doctrine. I believe he loved his country almost more than any current politician on earth.

He had many sides to him, and he is demonized, when in fact he's no worse than the average guy, were they to have that position.

He did a colossal amount of good for his country during the two-decade rain over Italy. He also did a lot for Christianity and the Pope.

I hate to see him be only associated with skinheads, Nazis, bigots, anti-semites, and idiots! So, I'm willing to sacrifice my reputation and identify as fascist and suffer the consequences.

I see people as being ignorant of fascism, and use it as such an ugly word. I see Mussoli possibly second most hated person in history. It is too unjust!

Shamanism generally involves channelling the dead.

A practice forbidden by God in His love for us, since it is spiritually dangerous.

 

[Catholicus]

I like your post and agree with much of it, but I've thoroughly studied fascism, and the doctrine of fascism is deeply spiritual.

Mussolini did not just say "fascism is a religious concept", he declared that "fascism is a religion."

He used the state to do what he believed would protect people from liberty's that can be dangerous and lead to vice/sin that only enslaves people, making them less free in the end.

Mussolini enforced biblical morality so much, that he made swearing in public a crime. He allowed no pornography or entertainment that could corrupt innocence and stir up lust. Films and plays could not have swearing, blasphemy, imodesty, or promote what we see in today's entertainment industry.

The divorce rate in fascist Italy was tiny. Families stayed together and prayed together. schools had crucifixes on the walls , and the children prayed. There was no STD epidemic, few unwanted pregnancies, low suicide rate, no school shootings, no legal abortions, few unwanted pregnancies, no promoting homosexuality,and the state was supposed to be like a mother, protecting her children from freedom that can do more harm than good.

Responsible parents discipline their children and don't give them freedom to do much of what their their heart desires.

The fascist state was stepping in to limit certain liberties to crush the rise of secularism, that was sweeping throughout the world at that time, with bloody revolutions, torturing and killing countless millions of those whose loyalty was to God.

You are mistaken. Fascism is a religion, because its founder declared it to be, and his book "The Doctrine of fascism" is the soul of what fascism is, and it is deeply religious, spiritual, and calling all fascists to live a Religious life, to defend religion, and fight secularism. The Doctrine of fascism is less political and more religious. Much is about what the state can do to keep people healthy spiritually.

His doctrine states that the soul only reaches true perfection when the body dies.

Fascism condemns selfishness, individualism, laziness, lust, foul language, adultery, pornography, homosexual acts, blasphemy, covetousness, gluttony, cowardice, and disbelief in God, all of which the Bible condemns.

Fascism contains Theology, philosophy, religious traditions, Dogmas, Doctrines, and a sacred text which declares the life of a fascist is a religious one, and goes on to glorify the asceticism of the saints.

Mussolini went on to work with the Pope, give the pope an independent Vatican state, and pay the Pope reparations for what taly did to the papal states.

Christians, including the Pope, were very drawn to what fascism was because of it's religious nature. Pope Pius XI said, "God has given us Mussolini."

No - a lot of Christians were taken in by Fascism. Especially when it was sly enough to curry favour with the Church.

Fascism condemns vice - but only so as to make Fascists tough,brutal and politically effective.

Saints practise asceticism in order to be kindly people; fascists practise it so as to be cruel (and militarily victorious) people.

 

[Jim]

@PopeADope I finished reading Fascism — Not Right-wing or Left-wing, but a Genuine Spiritual Movement, and I might see better now what you see in fascism. Only, it substitutes the nation in the place of God, and a person who personifies the nation in the place of Christ.

I see that maybe Mussolini is your Dulcinea for now. I also see that I did well to choose you as one of my forum gods. You are my god of Freedom From Prejudice.

 

[Jim]

@PopeADope Your Dulcinea, or your magic feather ...

“I see your true colors, shining through ...”

I see that some others here see them too.

 

[Spiderman]

@PopeADope I finished reading Fascism — Not Right-wing or Left-wing, but a Genuine Spiritual Movement, and I might see better now what you see in fascism. Only, it substitutes the nation in the place of God, and a person who personifies the nation in the place of Christ.

I see that maybe Mussolini is your Dulcinea for now. I also see that I did well to choose you as one of my forum gods. You are my god of Freedom From Prejudice.

I'm truly honored to have another follower. I wish I could put a crown on your head.

 

[Jim]

A religion that deifies the nation, and glorifies violence in its name .., Mussolini didn’t invent it .. he wasn’t the first ... was it ... I wonder .., “Fourscore and seven years ago ... the brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract ...”

No, it goes back farther than that ...

“... and the rockets’ red glare, bombs bursting in air ...”

Let’s don’t deify the leader any more. Let’s deify the nation instead, and make some people its prophets and saints.

 

[Spiderman]

Did you know about this?

Scholars Uncover Secret Message from Mussolini | Smart News | Smithsonian

Thank you!

 

[Spiderman]

A religion that deifies the nation, and glorifies violence in its name .., Mussolini didn’t invent it .. he wasn’t the first ... was it ... I wonder .., “Fourscore and seven years ago ... the brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract ...”

No, it goes back farther than that ...

“... and the rockets’ red glare, bombs bursting in air ...”

Let’s don’t deify the leader any more. Let’s deify the nation instead, and make some people its prophets and saints.

Mussolini did ugly and beautiful things. Don't believe everything you read. Communists Destroyed his legacy more by rewriting history and making him responsible for crimes he had nothing to do with.