Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
Yes. Because outside of what God tells us to do there is no such thing as morality. Therefore we do it because God says to do it. Why do we listen to Him? Because He created us, and because He created us it follows that He would know more than we do.
There is no such thing as a "moral" person outside of God's definition of morality. We can dream up opinions of morality all we like. It won't matter because morality is not objective. God having evil motives is something we cannot know. The only way we could know that is to say that we have equal to or more knowledge than He does.
If I make something (like a computer for instance), I know more than it does. Therefore it follows that I would know what is best for the computer. In a similar fashion, the very fact that God created us leads to Him knowing more.
He doesn't actually have to know more than we do, the thing is that we can't ever know how much He knows and whether or not He knows more. Therefore from our point of view, and with what we can determine, it only makes sense to do as He says.
How can we say He knows better if He didn't create us?
No. Forget what God knows for a second....
If we as a humanity discover that God created us. And we also discover that God has given us specific instructions. On what basis can we oppose those instructions as being incorrect? It is my belief that disagreeing with it isn't enough.
He could have, but I can't know that. So because I cannot know His reasoning (and it doesn't matter anyways because the point is that He made me and therefore I listen, not that He's trying to do the right thing.) I should do what He says.
You say He could have created us for an evil purpose....what exists beyond Him so as to define evil? Outside of Him nothing can exist, including morality. Therefore there is no external standard of morality by which to judge Him. Not only that, but even if there is such a standard, we don't know it.
And how exactly would I know what evil is and isn't without first assuming that:
1. I can know evil outside of God
and
2. God doesn't already know what is morally right.
I agree, if an evil God created me for an evil purpose, than it would be my duty not to obey. However, as a limited creation of this God I have no way of knowing whether or not He is evil.
You're presuming so very much. That your god created us is one. That your god actually exists is another. You also seem to think that the ability to create is synonymous with knowledge and morality, yet you've stated nothing to support this claim.
As for the number 2 you listed above, god can know what is morally right and wrong and still choose to do what's wrong. In fact we see this over and over again in the bible and, if he actually existed, in life.
I like your computer example however. You presume that if you build a computer you know more about it. At the time of the computers birth, it's activation, this would be true. However an AI computer (you must be referring to an AI otherwise the word "know" would be inappropriate) would rapidly gain knowledge, and quickly surpass you the creator. The point being is that typically children surpass their parents, or creators, if you will. Even if there was a god, and he created us, the bible makes it clear that humans have surpassed said god in morality. The god of the bible commits immoral act after immoral act, from the OT to the NT. In short, we as humans have clearly surpassed the dead beat, would be father you call god. You don't have to know everything to know when an action is immoral.