Is God Ignorant?

[Thief]

"Willful Ignorance: God knows people are praying to him, but is pretending that they are not/ or he is pretending to not know that they are praying to him.
Ignoring: God knows people are praying to him, but he is choosing to not listen."


I don't really see a difference between the 'willful ignorance' as compare to the plain 'ignoring'.

As for 'all knowing'.....that's not the same as 'all aware'.

You might have the answer to every question....but to have the response for every request...is something else.
God might know the answer to all questions...however....
with 6billion people on this Earth, each one making a request, response for each one would be chaos.

Today I might pray for sunshine, as I might desire to do things outside.
Today you might pray for rain, because your crops are in need.

I might pray my death be postponed, for I have things to do.
If we all do the same...what would that do to this Earth?
It seems needful...that we die.
A request for life...will be ignored.

 

[Falvlun]

I don't really see a difference between the 'willful ignorance' as compare to the plain 'ignoring'.

I think the distiction comes with how both are used. Willful ignorance, and ignorance in general, exclusively involves knowledge or understanding. I can't think of an instance where I would use "ignorance" and not be refering to some piece of knowledge. To ignore something is much more broad: ie, I ignore someone who annoys me-- I am not ignorant of his existence, or his actions, but I'm choosing to not respond to him.

As for 'all knowing'.....that's not the same as 'all aware'.

I would think both are pretty synonymous. You must be aware of everything in order to be all knowing.

You might have the answer to every question....but to have the response for every request...is something else.
God might know the answer to all questions...however....
with 6billion people on this Earth, each one making a request, response for each one would be chaos.

Perhaps to our finite minds, but remember the God we are talking about is omniscient. His mind is infinite; his knowledge is infinite. I don't think there could be a calculation he couldn't compute.

Today I might pray for sunshine, as I might desire to do things outside.
Today you might pray for rain, because your crops are in need.

I might pray my death be postponed, for I have things to do.
If we all do the same...what would that do to this Earth?
It seems needful...that we die.
A request for life...will be ignored.

Not necessarily. If God hears your request, acknowledges its receipt, and decides not to do what you ask, he has not ignored your request. He's given you an answer... in the negative.

 

[ebrima]

look you people insulting the one who created you you were nothing until God help you God knows every he doesnt need to be in his creatures to understand his creature does bill gates have to be a computer to understand computers you lot are sick people
GOD IS THE MOST MIGHTLY THE KING OF MANKIND ALL KNOWING ALL WISE

 

[Madhuri]

look you people insulting the one who created you you were nothing until God help you God knows every he doesnt need to be in his creatures to understand his creature does bill gates have to be a computer to understand computers you lot are sick people
GOD IS THE MOST MIGHTLY THE KING OF MANKIND ALL KNOWING ALL WISE

How are we insulting God? I doubt that God could be insulted.

 

[zenzero]

Friend ebrima,

Welcome to RF!
Best Wishes.

Love & rgds

 

[logician]

Taking the agnostic position, if ultimate knowledge is not knowable, then no god can exist, at least not one that has ultimate knowledge.

 

[Madhuri]

Taking the agnostic position, if ultimate knowledge is not knowable, then no god can exist, at least not one that has ultimate knowledge.

But is ultimate knowledge 'not knowable'? To whom and why?

 

[logician]

But is ultimate knowledge 'not knowable'? To whom and why?

I think the jury is out on this question, however, I don't believe a god is needed to advise us on ultimate knowledge.

 

[zenzero]

Thief,

Is God Ignorant?

Its a trick question.

Personally there is no *god* but CONSCIOUSNESS IS.
Ignorance would be like darkness where consciousness is like light.
If one is conscious then there is no question of being IGNORANT as it cannot come near consciousness.

Light can never say there is darkness.
Rest one can deduce.

Love & rgds

 

[Thief]

There is already a thread in progress...whether consciousness can prove God.

This thread should take aim..... to God's awareness toward Man.
What is Man that God is mindful of him?

I say, it depends on the situation at hand.
When Elisha made sacrifice, he had the priests wet the offering thoroughly with water...then prayed for the fire of God to let it burn.
His request was heard and dealt.

But when the Carpenter hung upon His cross...
He turned His eyes to heaven.... and did ask..."where are You?...why have You forsaken me?"
There was no reply.

 

[Onkara]

There is already a thread in progress...whether consciousness can prove God.

This thread should take aim..... to God's awareness toward Man.
What is Man that God is mindful of him?

I say, it depends on the situation at hand.
When Elisha made sacrifice, he had the priests wet the offering thoroughly with water...then prayed for the fire of God to let it burn.
His request was heard and dealt.

But when the Carpenter hung upon His cross...
He turned His eyes to heaven.... and did ask..."where are You?...why have You forsaken me?"
There was no reply.

Hi Thief
I have removed my post (I am not sure from your replies who you address) .

This thread should take aim..... to God's awareness toward Man.
What is Man that God is mindful of him?

To know/have awareness of God (or of God's awareness) and to be mindful you need consciousness. I.e. both man and God are consciousness.
It is ignorance which conceals that realisation.
Respectfullly, Onkarah.

 

[Falvlun]

But when the Carpenter hung upon His cross...
He turned His eyes to heaven.... and did ask..."where are You?...why have You forsaken me?"
There was no reply.

Your example still does not show that god was ignorant of the fact that Jesus was talking to him. He could have simply chose not to answer, or to not answer in a way Jesus might have liked, ie, saving him from the cross.

 

[stars]

God did not forsake his Son. He proved that three days and nights later when He raised him from the dead.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Thief,

But when the Carpenter hung upon His cross...
He turned His eyes to heaven.... and did ask..."where are You?...why have You forsaken me?"
There was no reply.

Well someone had a hearing problem as the carpenter could not have said something like this.
After all everything including the question is a matter of individual perception.

Love & rgds

 

[Starjade]

When the carpenter hung upon the cross hahaha Firstly Jesus is a fraud and was not a carpenter according to the stories and furthermore the religious law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards does establish that this tale of Jesus is not true.

You need two or three witnesses to establish if a thing is true or not in accordance with Deuteronomy law which is a law brought down by Moses from the Living God and therefore that means that law is the actual word of the Living God saying the New Testament tales are a fraud.

 

[Nothing]

To me it is obvious that God did not answer BECAUSE He did not forsake Jesus. Why would He answer to something He is not capable of doing? I do not believe God has or will ever forsake anyone.
What I believe is that Jesus, one of the most enlightened beings and one of the greatest teachers ever to walk the earth had a moment of doubt. In God there is no doubt and so He would be incapable of responding to it. I believe what Jesus said immediately after his moment of doubt went something like this; "Father, I command my Spirit unto you."
The moment of doubt is the lesson, commanding one's Spirit unto the Creator confirms the lesson has been learned.

 

[dogsgod]

To me it is obvious that God did not answer BECAUSE He did not forsake Jesus. Why would He answer to something He is not capable of doing? I do not believe God has or will ever forsake anyone.
What I believe is that Jesus, one of the most enlightened beings and one of the greatest teachers ever to walk the earth had a moment of doubt. In God there is no doubt and so He would be incapable of responding to it. I believe what Jesus said immediately after his moment of doubt went something like this; "Father, I command my Spirit unto you."
The moment of doubt is the lesson, commanding one's Spirit unto the Creator confirms the lesson has been learned.

Out of curiosity, what teachings made Jesus a great teacher?

 

[Nothing]

That is a good question dogsgod. It is common knowledge that Jesus was brought up in the Judaic tradition, but I don't believe this. I find his teachings more in line with Gnosticism then with Judaism. I believe he was Naassene.

 

[Thief]

There seems yet some confusion between 'unaware' as to treating some one with ignorance.

Surely the participants here have lived long enough to have been ignored by someone else.

 

[outhouse]

look you people insulting the one who created you you were nothing until God help you God knows every he doesnt need to be in his creatures to understand his creature does bill gates have to be a computer to understand computers you lot are sick people
GOD IS THE MOST MIGHTLY THE KING OF MANKIND ALL KNOWING ALL WISE

god created nothing as a myth cannot create. in my opinion, well that and science's opinion.

how you can confuse educated and sick is beyond me. :slap: