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Is God impossible?

Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
JerryL said:
So you don't believe that you are a child murderer simply because you chose not to? You cannot logically justify your belief.

Kind of like how you simply chose not to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You agree that you cannot justify not believing in the FSM, right? aFSMism.
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Stay on subject, dude. We are talking about the existence of gods or a God with great power, not something out of one of your nightmares.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Reggie Miller said:
Nothing, as long as you agree you don't believe in any gods simply because you choose not to -
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I don't choose my beliefs. Do you?

and you agree that you cannot justify atheism logically.
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I think it's perfectly logical that I'm not convinced of the existence of gods... though I'm not sure what you're looking for. Do you want me to list every argument I've ever heard for a god and tell you why I didn't find it compelling? That would take a long time.
 
JerryL

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Reggie Miller said:
Stay on subject, dude. We are talking about the existence of gods or a God with great power, not something out of one of your nightmares.
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No. You are arguing that disbelief is illogical.

I'll quote:
Reggie Miller said:
you cannot justify atheism logically.
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So your aFSMism is illogical.
Your belief that you aren't a child-murderer is illogical.

But if you want "great power" fine: your failure to believe in "Q" from StarTrek is illogical

(all by your definition, of course... you don't seem to understand "logic" at all).
 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
I don't choose my beliefs. Do you?


I think it's perfectly logical that I'm not convinced of the existence of gods... though I'm not sure what you're looking for. Do you want me to list every argument I've ever heard for a god and tell you why I didn't find it compelling? That would take a long time.
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Everyone chooses their beliefs - based on their own perceived truths, or, axioms, if you will.

Never mind. I think you understand that you cannot justify it logically, else you would have already attempted to do so.
 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
JerryL said:
No. You are arguing that disbelief is illogical.

I'll quote:


So your aFSMism is illogical.
Your belief that you aren't a child-murderer is illogical.

But if you want "great power" fine: your failure to believe in "Q" from StarTrek is illogical

(all by your definition, of course... you don't seem to understand "logic" at all).
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You sound angry. I'm not arguing with you about anything, you jumped in to the middle of it, not me.

Merry Christmas.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Does anyone have such a reason?
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There are basic principles that if learned and applied will yield the results a genuine seeker is after.

"The Principles of Truth are Seven; he who knows these,
understandingly, possesses the Magic Key before whose
touch all the Doors of the Temple fly open."--The Kybalion.

The Seven Hermetic Principles, upon which the entire Hermetic Philosophy is based, are as follows:

1. The Principle of Mentalism.
2. The Principle of Correspondence.
3. The Principle of Vibration.
4. The Principle of Polarity.
5. The Principle of Rhythm.
6. The Principle of Cause and Effect.
7. The Principle of Gender.
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The Kybalion: Chapter II. The Seven Hermetic Principles
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Reggie Miller said:
Everyone chooses their beliefs - based on their own perceived truths, or, axioms, if you will.
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So, for instance, you chose to believe in God? IOW, if you stopped choosing to believe, you would stop believing?

Never mind. I think you understand that you cannot justify it logically, else you would have already attempted to do so.
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I can justify all sorts of things logically; I just don't know what you're calling "atheism". Depending on what you mean by the term, what you think "atheism" means might not be a position that I hold.

As for what I mean when I say that I'm an atheist (i.e. that I haven't been convinced of the existence of any gods), I'm not sure what you're looking for. "Justifying" my claim would mean showing that I really haven't been convinced; I don't know how to do that, apart from assuring you that I'm sincere... though I can see how me saying "take my word for it" wouldn't be exactly compelling to you.

Is that it? Do you think I might be lying (or somehow mistaken) when I say that I haven't been convinced?
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
9-10ths_Penguin said:
I don't see anything in your post that even mentions a god, let alone establishes that gods are possible.
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Because you have not applied the principles you do not see their value.

1. The Principle of Mentalism

"THE ALL IS MIND; The Universe is Mental."--The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the truth that "All is Mind." It explains that THE ALL (which is the Substantial Reality underlying all the outward manifestations and appearances which we know under the terms of "The Material Universe"; the "Phenomena of Life"; "Matter"; "Energy"; and, in short, all that is apparent to our material senses) is SPIRIT which in itself is UNKNOWABLE and UNDEFINABLE, but which may be considered and thought of as AN UNIVERSAL, INFINITE, LIVING MIND. It also explains that all the phenomenal world or universe is simply a Mental Creation of THE ALL, subject to the Laws of Created Things, and that the universe, as a whole, and in its parts or units, has its existence in the Mind of THE ALL, in which Mind we "live and move and have our being." This Principle, by establishing the Mental Nature of the Universe, easily explains all of the varied mental and psychic phenomena that occupy such a large portion of the public attention, and which, without such explanation, are non-understandable and defy scientific treatment. An understanding of this great Hermetic Principle of Mentalism enables the individual to readily grasp the laws of the Mental Universe, and to apply the same to his well-being and advancement. The Hermetic Student is enabled to apply intelligently the great Mental Laws, instead of using them in a haphazard manner. With the Master-Key in his possession, the student may unlock the many doors of the mental and psychic temple of knowledge, and enter the same freely and intelligently. This Principle explains the true nature of "Energy," "Power," and "Matter," and why and how all these are subordinate to the Mastery of Mind. One of the old Hermetic Masters wrote, long ages ago: "He who grasps the truth of the Mental Nature of the Universe is well advanced on The Path to Mastery." And these words are as true today as at the time they were first written. Without this Master-Key, Mastery is impossible, and the student knocks in vain at the many doors of The Temple.
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The Kybalion: Chapter II. The Seven Hermetic Principles
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
allfoak said:
Because you have not applied the principles you do not see their value.
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That may be, but establishing their value - and relevance - is on you, not me.

I'm not going to read some long web site based just on your say-so. Make an argument, back it up with supporting material as necessary, and then we'll have a starting point for discussion.
 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
So, for instance, you chose to believe in God? IOW, if you stopped choosing to believe, you would stop believing?


I can justify all sorts of things logically; I just don't know what you're calling "atheism". Depending on what you mean by the term, what you think "atheism" means might not be a position that I hold.

As for what I mean when I say that I'm an atheist (i.e. that I haven't been convinced of the existence of any gods), I'm not sure what you're looking for. "Justifying" my claim would mean showing that I really haven't been convinced; I don't know how to do that, apart from assuring you that I'm sincere... though I can see how me saying "take my word for it" wouldn't be exactly compelling to you.

Is that it? Do you think I might be lying (or somehow mistaken) when I say that I haven't been convinced?
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Just forget about it. I don't want you to burn out anymore brain cells today. ;)
 
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