Is God pro-abortion?

[tarasan]

And there you go with killing a five year old again. Why even say that?

I don't understand what u mean it making the claim that the text is talking about aborting a child in the womb. I am saying the text is very vague and might mean a while manner of things. When did I specify a five year old? Are u doing to tell how the hebrew necessitates an abortion? Isn't that what the entire thread is about?

 

[We Never Know]

The "thigh" is usually a reference to the genitals in the Bible. It helps if you understand the euphemisms used.

And let's keep the argument in the time frame of the OT.

"And let's keep the argument in the time frame of the OT."

So we either have to claim its was abortion or not post? Lmao!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Even if she cheated it doesn't mean she was pregnant. The curse would be the same for an unfaithful woman that wasn't pregnant.

I don't understand what u mean it making the claim that the text is talking about aborting a child in the womb. I am saying the text is very vague and might mean a while manner of things. When did I specify a five year old? Are u doing to tell how the hebrew necessitates an abortion? Isn't that what the entire thread is about?

You are merely adding to your errors. Once people are born they do not climb back into the womb. No one climbed back into the womb, mothers tend to get annoyed at that.

 

[We Never Know]

Even if she cheated it doesn't mean she was pregnant. The curse would be the same for an unfaithful woman that wasn't pregnant.

Edit.

It was a test to see if a woman had been unfaithful period. If she had been unfaithful, pregnant or not, her abdomen would swell and her thigh rot.

 

[tarasan]

You are merely adding to your errors. Once people are born they do not climb back into the womb. No one climbed back into the womb, mothers tend to get annoyed at that.

Ok I'm not sure what's happening here.

The main thrust of my statement is that in terms of the test as referenced in numbers. Does not imply abortion, in fact it could be a number of things. You have not specified why it must mean abortion.

Where is this "once u are born" thing coming from?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok I'm not sure what's happening here.

The main thrust of my statement is that in terms of the test as referenced in numbers. Does not imply abortion, in fact it could be a number of things. You have not specified why it must mean abortion.

Where is this "once u are born" thing coming from?

Your post talked about someone climbing back into the womb. Your errors do have a pattern to them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Edit.

It was a test to see if a woman had been unfaithful period. If she had been unfaithful, pregnant or not, her abdomen would swell and her thigh rot.

The context is rather clear to me, but let's clear up a couple of points. The word "beten" is translated as abdomen sometimes but in every other ten appearances that it makes in the Torah it means "womb". That is why "thought for thought" translations prefer "womb" to abdomen. And in the same way "thigh" is usually an euphemism for sexual organs, whether male or female.

Commentary on Numbers 5:11-31


By the way you should be following along. One of the sources that I provided earlier shows that the abortion interpretation goes back to at least 1913. It is not a new interpretation.

 

[tarasan]

Your post talked about someone climbing back into the womb. Your errors do have a pattern to them.

No I never said that. I've talked about how the language doesn't necessarily mean abortion can u address how it does.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No I never said that. I've talked about how the language doesn't necessarily mean abortion can u address how it does.

Sure you did. I will quote the relevant phrase:

" child in the womb."

Children do not climb back into the womb.

 

[We Never Know]

The context is rather clear to me, but let's clear up a couple of points. The word "beten" is translated as abdomen sometimes but in every other ten appearances that it makes in the Torah it means "womb". That is why "thought for thought" translations prefer "womb" to abdomen. And in the same way "thigh" is usually an euphemism for sexual organs, whether male or female.

Commentary on Numbers 5:11-31


By the way you should be following along. One of the sources that I provided earlier shows that the abortion interpretation goes back to at least 1913. It is not a new interpretation.

That doesn't matter. It was a test/curse to see if a woman had been unfaithful period. If she had been unfaithful, pregnant or not, her abdomen would swell and her thigh rot.

Unless your can show evidence that the test/curse "was only for pregnant women" you have nothing to stand on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That doesn't matter. It was a test/curse to see if a woman had been unfaithful period. If she had been unfaithful, pregnant or not, her abdomen would swell and her thigh rot.

Unless your can show evidence that the test/curse "was only for pregnant women" you have nothing to stand on.

Nope, since your argument is merely a red herring at best. You cannot hang your hopes on "well this woman might not have been pregnant".

 

[tarasan]

Sure you did. I will quote the relevant phrase:

" child in the womb."

Children do not climb back into the womb.

I never said that and even if I did it doesn't change what I said about the ambiguity about the interpretation. It can mean all manner of things

 

[We Never Know]

I never said that and even if I did it doesn't change what I said about the ambiguity about the interpretation. It can mean all manner of things

But you did. You clearly said "aborting a child in the womb" in post 381.

Nope, since your argument is merely a red herring at best. You cannot hang your hopes on "well this woman might not have been pregnant".

You are completely assuming the unfaithful woman was pregnant. Many unfaithful women don't get pregnant. That's that.

 

[tarasan]

But you did. You clearly said "aborting a child in the womb" in post 381.



You are completely assuming the unfaithful woman was pregnant. Many unfaithful women don't get pregnant. That's that.

Right Im pro choice I believe that the foetus in the womb is a child so to speak. I'm not suggesting they are five or that they are crawling back up inside the womb that ridiculous.

The whole point of the post was saying god aborted feotuses of unfaithful wives. The actual language of the text is very ambigious and does not necessarily say that.

 

[We Never Know]

Right Im pro choice I believe that the foetus in the womb is a child so to speak. I'm not suggesting they are five or that they are crawling back up inside the womb that ridiculous.

The whole point of the post was saying god aborted feotuses of unfaithful wives. The actual language of the text is very ambigious and does not necessarily say that.

I completely understood what you said and meant. Im sure everyone did but some just like arguing.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Don't approach it with a modern literal word for word translation. The context is clear. This is not a new claim either. This interpretation was argued for long before the abortion controversy.

You should be asking yourself how would a man know that his wife had cheated back then if there were no witnesses.

Numbers 5 Bible Commentary - Matthew Henry (concise)

 

[eldritchsleep]

Not sure if anyone has pointed this out so I apologize if this is repetitive but, in Hosea 9:11-16 god uses miscarriages as a punishment against Ephraim that Hosea specifically prayed to god for and he fulfilled. He specifically prayed that all the women miscarry and for god to "slay the beloved fruit of their wombs" which god does. Then of course there are all the instances of god telling the Israelites to kill women, children, and babies outright and never says to spare pregnant women. There's also the fact that god has no commandment against abortion which means he isn't against abortion.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Numbers 5 Bible Commentary - Matthew Henry (concise)

Numbers 5 - Coffman Commentaries on the Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

 

[ElishaElijah]

Numbers 5 - Coffman Commentaries on the Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Numbers 5 - Adam Clarke Commentary - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

 

[night912]

That doesn't matter. It was a test/curse to see if a woman had been unfaithful period. If she had been unfaithful, pregnant or not, her abdomen would swell and her thigh rot.

Unless your can show evidence that the test/curse "was only for pregnant women" you have nothing to stand on.

If God didn't allow abortion, why have a test that ends pregnancy? The things that God doesn't allow, he says not to do it. The things that are condemned, are specific. God condones killing, but condemns a specific kind of killing, murder.