Is God really THE god?

[sealchan]

There is also the somewhat common experience of the God Dream which is any dream by anyone which claims to contain God or Jesus or perhaps some other (male?) focus of divinity. This experience comes with typical motifs which can be seen in both the experience of people today and in the stories in Genesis. The author(s) of Genesis knew of such experiences and crafted their stories around them. People today who have encountered God in a vision or dream can also attest to this type of experience.

This, of course, doesn't necessarily explain God's ultimate nature. For that we need our spiritually inspired story-tellers to come up with their inventions which have the deep benefit of helping us all to think about ourselves, what we see as our ultimate objectives and priorities as well as helping us to find the inspiration to pursue those objectives and priorities. Experiences which arise out of the God Dream perhaps have done more than anything to drive this desire to tell such stories historically.

 

[EtuMalku]

just wait for your last breath and still feel the need to stand up.....

and you just might
and then God and heaven will show up to see whatever stood up from the dust

it's rational to say.....
if you fail to stand from your carcass...off to the grave you will go
eternal darkness is not a fairy tale
It's real
no form of light follows anyone into the grave
no sunlight, no moonlight, no candle light and no philosophical light

really is dark down there

So some say, I wouldn't know . . . and neither do you

 

[Segev Moran]

It does make it impossible because those sections in the OT are inconsistent and stupid besides making God evil. So unless you believe that an all-powerful God can also be stupid, there is no need to take the OT as the truth.

Cant see why an all powerful cannot be stupid.

As I said the NT is written by many authors (not by God as you want to assume). I do take the words of Jesus in NT as the truth, but you don't have to. Jesus never said that the Father that
he talks about, is the only God there is. That the solar system has higher God than the Father is just for your information/consideration - you don't need to believe it.

I Didn't assume the NT is written by God. I Specifically mentioned the "tora".
And I don't believe it.. just wondering what makes you believe it?

 

[Segev Moran]

It's not a 'verse.' It's a quote from someone...and for the life of me I can't remember who.

Lol. thanks for it anyway. If you somehow manage to find that quote I'd appreciate letting me know

 

[Segev Moran]

I believe it will serve as a good foundation to understand the language the text is revealed in... The circumstances of the revelation and their application, this would help you validate the Word. The spiritual validation can also come from your heart.

I'll take some time to go over it, 10x.

What is a spiritual validation?

Many time people offer claims like the one you just made.
As there are thousands of ideas to what "spiritual" is, would you mind playing this game with me:

Imagine I'm a 6 yo kid. can you please explain me what spiritual is?

 

[Segev Moran]

I think you need to go back and read my original posts. It could be you know nothing about Abraham and his history with God.
If you read my post and the history of Abraham from the bible it will become self-explanatory.

I Can't accept that.
You point me to the bible in order to get answers, yet the bible is a book that have so many interpolations to each of ifs sentences.
Why can't you briefly explain you pov?

 

[Segev Moran]

in the scheme of superlatives.....there is only ONE....Almighty
it stands to reason
there is ONE ....whose will cannot be set aside or circumvented

Oh... if you put it that way, than it must be true

 

[Segev Moran]

Why can't people just admit that we just don't know. Full stop. Believe what you want, but no one knows.

Agreed

 

[Segev Moran]

The Bible is the most widely read and influential book, guide to life, in the history of humanity. I'd say that was consistent with being the devine ispiration of the God

So any scripture that is popular must be based on truth?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

So any scripture that is popular must be based on truth?

there's a pretty big drop off after #1!

 

[Segev Moran]

As you rightly point out, we only know from stories that come from those recognized as authoritative or from God Himself. One has to wonder how God knows He is God.

Interesting
I Guess God doesn't really know.
This amusing short animation (Might offend some theist people, so please avoid it if you are sensitive) deals with this idea.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What is one's source of knowing God without any scripture or information that doesn't come from the Entity itself?

Cognitive bias.

 

[Kenny]

Faith is simply lack of objective evidence. Now that you've been telling me what I need to do for the last few posts, it's my turn.

You need to step out of fairytale land, at some point we all realize Santa Claus doesn't really exist, same thing with this imaginary god meme. You have absolutely zero evidence for his existence but a whole lot of hope that he does. An abridged, heavily edited book, written by men in the first place, is all you go on. Which is not enough for most rational people.

Faith does not equal truth.

I'm not sure how you come to these analogies or positions but faith is DEFINITELY not a simple lack of object evidence. EVERYBODY exercises faith in one form or another and have nothing to doe with lack of objective evidence.

Equating Santa Clause to God is like me equating you to an automated computer response. Not a good analogy for most rational people. That analogy sounds more like a sheep speaking.

In as much as John Polkinghorne, a rational person, believes that there is a God, you will have to come up with a more substantive reasoning that just mentioning Santa Clause.

However, you are correct that faith does not equal truth.

 

[Segev Moran]

The kalam argument for God works in a way but it does not state which God or the qualities of God.

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause for its coming into being.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause for its coming into being.

Most people would agree with the first premise. Science seems to be supporting the second premise with theories like the big bang. Which then leads to the conclusion in point 3. Though it doesn't state that the cause was God I think it is pointing to some sort of intelligence as a cause cannot exist without intelligence.

The thing is a lot of people mix up cause and reason.
And this argument as you stated, hints nothing of the existence (let alone the charecaristics) of a God.
It only suggests that something caused our universe to become as it is today.

 

[Segev Moran]

there's a pretty big drop off after #1!

Yep. The first book is usually the best

 

[Segev Moran]

Cognitive bias.

or AKA... Imagination

 

[rusra02]

There are many false gods, such as the gods worshipped by the Greeks, Romans, and many today. I believe the true God has revealed his qualities and his Godship by the historical record in the Holy Scriptures. There Jehovah has provided abundant evidence that he is the one true God, who always fulfills his promises, and who is matchless in power, justice, love,and wisdom. No false gods can prove they are gods, but I believe Jehovah proves his Godship by foretelling future events and then bringing about what he has foretold.

 

[YAW7911]

How can you know?

Lets say the bible (OT, NT or whatever depiction of Mono-God there is) is true. that indeed these are the words of the one we call God.
Everything we know about God is based on God itself.

Maybe God is not really THE god? rather on of other gods?
Maybe he is actually an evil God and only pretends to be good?

What is one's source of knowing God without any scripture or information that doesn't come from the Entity itself?

Personally, The Christian God is a devil who was pretending to be a primordial deity yet cannot demonstrate that level of power. Still, something that is more powerful than human for the moment. The false labeling of Pagan gods was to spread its corruption and prevent people from seeing anything else. And if you believe in Christianity you will be trapped in his personal dimension as he sends you in a spiritual coma and feed on your soul.
As for the path, look into yourself and the world around you. Draw parallel, experiment, experience, and as you find similarities and differences, you will know more and more.

 

[WINDINWATERS]

Isa 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Moreover the Hebrew word for Lucifer is masculine.

The original language does not say son, it is interpreted that way by people with pre-conceived ideas on the subject. Look at the verse in contex is a son covered in jewelry.
To clarify it properly the origin of the word God needs to be understood, it was always Ishtar.
Where did this word come from ?
Why is this word so important ?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

the kingdom is within you
I think I am quoting the Carpenter

Correct sir, it is a straight and narrow path that leads to the truth.