metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Is God three beings in one being according to christians on RF?
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Suave
Simulated character
According to my religion of Christian Matrixism, God is well defined as being a controller of simulations, a reality based virtual world programmer of human consciousness. Jesus Christ is simply God's Holy Spirt incarnated., God's Word appearing in human form.
I believe God is one, as said in the Bible.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
DNB
Christian
Be careful as to whom you call your 'fathers'. It shows where your allegiance lies.
As I've mentioned more than once before, each of the NT's Jesuses ─ those of Paul, Mark, Matthew, Luke and John ─ denies that he's God and never claims to be God. The Trinity doctrine, which contradicts those denials, isn't invented till the 4th century CE to solve the politics of how to raise the central character of Christianity to God status while avoiding taunts that they're polytheists like the pagans (which indeed Trinitarians are).
Given we accept the Trinity notion, then if the Father has his own will, if Jesus has his own will, if the Ghost has his own will, then they won't always agree. The record shows a small amount of disagreement ─ the "let this cup pass from me" garden scene in all four gospels (though each concludes with a "you're the boss" statement to the Father), and the complaint of being deserted, uttered by the Jesuses of Mark and of Matthew, though not the others.
And if they don't always agree then indeed there are three of them, polytheism. While if they always agree then there's only one of them, and God, Jesus and Ghost are simply three faces of the one being. Yes, the Trinity doctrine denies both of those views, but then, the Trinity doctrine is 'a mystery in the strict sense' ie incoherent.
firedragon
Veteran Member
There is only one will, will is proper to nature in Trinitarian theology. Jesus (which refers to the Incarnate Word) has two wills because He has two natures in the same theology.
RoseINC
New Member
RoseINC
New Member
Trinity is not biblical
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
This is the standard Christian belief, that there is one God in three persons. However, no one besides Christians believes it. Indeed, Jews find the dilution of the one-ness of God to be offensive.
Thank you.
But like so much about the Trinity, like so much in theology, it makes no sense ─ which is acknowledged by the Trinity's being declared a mystery in the strict sense which means that it "can neither be known by unaided human reason apart from revelation, nor cogently demonstrated by reason after it has been revealed".
Mystery in the strict sense is thus a synonym for "incoherent", surely.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
So do the Muslims.
What about that statement makes no sense to you?
Grateful for the references to your quotes.
I believe God is not a person, but the Trinitarian belief God is three persons.
I had a lengthy discussion about the trinity with the assistant pastor of the local Greek Orthodox Church. He insisted that God had split himself into three pieces (father, son, holy spirit), and was actually one entity.
Some parts of the bible refute this (contrary to the doctrines of the Catholic church/Vatican).
God said that only He (God) was God, and there shall be no other.
Jesus is said to be the son of God, and not God, but rightly called Lord (due to his extraordinary powers).
Many Christians pray that Jesus will make a second coming. What they mean is that Christ (which is the spirit that dwelt within Christ) would rise again. It was the holy spirit that resurrected, not the dead body of Jesus. Jesus died, and will never rise again....he was the vessel for Christ (the spirit), and it is that spirit that will have a second coming soon. (Actually, since Christ rose shortly after the death of Jesus, that was the second coming, and the anticipated arrival of Christ is actually the third coming (not second). When Christ rose from the grave, he had white hair and red eyes (not at all what a Jew of the period would have looked like). Jews, today, have genetically mixed with Germans et al, so they don't look at all like their Semite ancestors. Both Jews and Arabs are Semites, and they used to look identical.
I think that God consists of trillions of spirits (souls), and places one in each person. In that sense, we are all a part of God (including Jesus, while he was alive). This soul is the basis for our psychic abilities, and everyone has such abilities if they bothered to understand and use them. However, some are psychically more powerful than others.
McDonalds is in a lot of trouble, having sold billions of hamburgers.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Neither are automobiles, and yet they exist.
"Essence" is a philosophical approach on an attempt, correctly or not, to help explain the relationship between God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Yeah. But see, no one made the claim that automobiles are spoken of in the Bible. So what you did is a tactic that may work in your mind, but its an absurd equivocation.
Your claim was that one oosia but three is in the bible linguistically, verbatim. So since you claim it, you should have at least one verse that does.