Is God's existence necessary?

[Unification]

Mestemia in shame.

 

[Unification]

dark energy does not move....
Gravity doesn't either.

............

dark energy is omnipresent....
Gravity is omnipresent, too.

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the effects caused by dark energy are reflected in gravitation effects seen in the universal expansion...

Your syntax obfuscates the process, but I have no desire to explain to you how it should be worded.

False, it is all hypothetical that there even is "dark energy" and you're just adding to your debt by saying it also is hypothetically the cause for the universe expanding.

Lots of faith and belief here.

 

[prometheus11]

"neither are directly detected" OR measured.

Why do you believe in something that is invisible, undetectable, hypothetical, unknown, do not even know if it exists, and has no physical evidence?

Exactly like gravity.

We see objects with mass moving in predictable, measurable ways at every point in the universe at all times every second and every place.

That's how we know that gravity exists. That's how we know dark energy exists.

 

[McBell]

Mestemia in shame.

Now that was almost as half ***-ed a reply as your post....

 

[prometheus11]

False, it is all hypothetical that there even is "dark energy" and you're just adding to your debt by saying it also is hypothetically the cause for the universe expanding.

Lots of faith and belief here.

Nope, there's no belief or faith for dark energy. There's measurements and continual, obvious observation.

Gravity has no more evidence than dark energy.

You're just wrong. Obviously.

 

[Unification]

Now that was almost as half ***-ed a reply as your post....

When in a corner and defeated, all that's left is opinion and judgements.

 

[Unification]

Nope, there's no belief or faith for dark energy. There's measurements and continual, obvious observation.

Gravity has no more evidence than dark energy.

You're just wrong. Obviously.

"Dark energy" is neither directly measured or observed"

You are just as wise to say "dark energy" is an undetectable "pixie fairy" causing "effects on mass."

All while observing the effects on mass and attributing that to the pixie fairy.

 

[McBell]

When in a corner and defeated, all that's left is opinion and judgements.

Except you are not on the higher ground you think you are.
A mere reading through this thread is all anyone need do to understand.

So go right ahead and make a bigger fool of yourself.
It is your credibility taking the hit, not mine.

 

[prometheus11]

"Dark energy" is neither directly measured or observed"

You are just as wise to say "dark energy" is an undetectable "pixie fairy" causing "effects on mass."

All while observing the effects on mass and attributing that to the pixie fairy.

Gravity is neither directly measured nor observed.

Yes, science could have named gravity "leprechaun suspenders," and named dark energy " pixie-fairy farts," but they needed a name for the obvious forces that moves matter in predictable, measurable ways at every second and in every corner of the universe.

The force that is obviously working on mass that scientists chose to name "dark energy"...what would you like to call it?

 

[Unification]

Gravity is neither directly measured nor observed.

Yes, science could have named gravity "leprechaun suspenders," and named dark energy " pixie-fairy farts," but they needed a name for the obvious forces that moves matter in predictable, measurable ways at every second and in every corner of the universe.

The force that is obviously working on mass that scientists chose to name "dark energy"...what would you like to call it?

Now we are on the same page.

Name doesn't matter. The effects matter.

 

[Unification]

Except you are not on the higher ground you think you are.
A mere reading through this thread is all anyone need do to understand.

So go right ahead and make a bigger fool of yourself.
It is your credibility taking the hit, not mine.

That must make you on the higher ground.. since you know my thoughts and assume I'm even thinking such.

Honestly, awareness is what is needed to understand.

Credibility hits and calling others fools, lol.

Again, that's the only defense left when left in a corner.

 

[McBell]

That must make you on the higher ground.. since you know my thoughts and assume I'm even thinking such.

Honestly, awareness is what is needed to understand.

Credibility hits and calling others fools, lol.

Again, that's the only defense left when left in a corner.

nice try.
You really need to work on your pigeon chess techniques.
They are old and boring.
though they did get the attention away from the bull **** posted...
So I guess it wasn't a total failure on your part.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I have always said the same thing, Ben. That you can't grasp the facts isn't my problem.

Gravity and dark energy are both forces and are both detected by observations of matter. Neither are directly detected. Scientists gave gravity and dark energy their names because the evidence of matter moving forced them to provide names to both forces.

If you do not agree with the facts I have laid at your feet about a thousand times now, that's not my problem and it bothers me and the physicists around the globe not one bit.

But you are not saying the same thing as I am.....you are saying gravity and dark energy are both forces....and I am saying gravity is a force while dark energy is not...???

 

[prometheus11]

Now we are on the same page.

Name doesn't matter. The effects matter.

My perspective hasn't changed, so I guess you have finally gotten on the page with me and every physicist on the planet.

Yes, names matter. How would we get any science done if a hundred different terms were being used for gravity?

 

[McBell]

How would we get any science done if a hundred different terms were being used for gravity?

I like "intelligent falling"....

 

[prometheus11]

But you are not saying the same thing as I am.....you are saying gravity and dark energy are both forces....and I am saying gravity is a force while dark energy is not...???

Yes, I know. You are saying things about dark energy that have not been proved. I'm not. My statements are correct. We have no idea if your are of not.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, I know. You are saying things about dark energy that have not been proved. I'm not. My statements are correct. We have no idea if your are of not.

Haha..what have you said about dark energy that has been proved, but mine not, but of which you have no idea if mine are or not? This is not making sense...can you please explain what you mean? Where is the your proof of dark energy being a force...where is the formula that shows how to calculate the force of dark energy?

 

[prometheus11]

Read the last few pages. I'm tired of repeating myself. All my statements have been correct. Yours have been contradictory and all over the place.

If you would like to show where anything I've said is incorrect, and enlighten the physicists around the world, you will be incredibly rich and famous....probably up there with Plank and Einstein.

 

[outhouse]

Read the last few pages. I'm tired of repeating myself

The ignore function world perfectly for this, that's where I keep said people f9r failure to communicate effectively.

 

[prometheus11]

The ignore function world perfectly for this, that's where I keep said people f9r failure to communicate effectively.

On debate forums I never ignore anyone or report anyone for infractions.