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Is Harris Really Worth Voting For?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I had the misfortune of turning on my radio this morning.
I heard coverage of the DNC convention.
No voice for Palestinians allowed.
Harris parroted the Biden lament about misery in Gaza.
Harris parroted the Biden code phrase for allowing the
genocide to continue...."Israel has the right to self defense".
Both advocate widespread price controls.
Both favor government seizing private assets.

It's beginning to appear that she's just a clone of Biden.
But a DEI version. (They repeatedly make a big deal about
her sex & race....& how presidential her pantsuits are.)
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
I had the misfortune of turning on my radio this morning.
I heard coverage of the DNC convention.
No voice for Palestinians allowed.
Harris parroted the Biden lament about misery in Gaza.
Harris parroted the Biden code phrase for allowing the
genocide to continue...."Israel has the right to self defense".
Both advocate widespread price controls.
Both favor government seizing private assets.

It's beginning to appear that she's just a clone of Biden.
But a DEI version. (They repeatedly make a big deal about
her sex & race....& how presidential her pantsuits are.)
And here you are making a big deal about the fact she is a biracial woman
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Well most people knew she was full of it, but were so overjoyed that Biden was was forced out that they disregarded her policies(?)
If you pay close attention they are trying to make her into something she isn't.
and what are they trying to make her exactly?
 

Wirey

Fartist
I had the misfortune of turning on my radio this morning.
I heard coverage of the DNC convention.
No voice for Palestinians allowed.
Harris parroted the Biden lament about misery in Gaza.
Harris parroted the Biden code phrase for allowing the
genocide to continue...."Israel has the right to self defense".
Both advocate widespread price controls.
Both favor government seizing private assets.

It's beginning to appear that she's just a clone of Biden.
But a DEI version. (They repeatedly make a big deal about
her sex & race....& how presidential her pantsuits are.)
As a Canadian, I'm probably only going to vote four or five times in your next election, but she'll definitely get most of them.

No political party is going to be 100 % in lockstep with any citizen's views. Stating that a country has the right to defend itself is not a dismissal of the concerns of the Gazans. It's a statement of fact. If you disagree and are a one-issue voter, then this might be a breaking point. I tend to compare the overall aspects of each party's platform (in Canada there are more than two!) and decide who most aligns with my value set. And then I vote for the one with the most humourous name. If "Melanie Multiball" ever runs for Prime Minister, I'm in.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As a Canadian, I'm probably only going to vote four or five times in your next election, but she'll definitely get most of them.

No political party is going to be 100 % in lockstep with any citizen's views. Stating that a country has the right to defend itself is not a dismissal of the concerns of the Gazans. It's a statement of fact.
On the surface....at face value....you're right about that.
But the phrase is a "code word" for justifying Israeli
policy of scorched earth destruction & mass murder
of Palestinians. Why? Because whenever the genocide
is decried, that's the perfunctory response.
Add to this her denial of allowing anyone to speak on
behalf of the Palestinians. (They can be pro-Israel,
but not pro-Palestinian or pro-Muslim.)

Pro-Palestinian delegates denied Democratic convention speaking slot​

If you disagree and are a one-issue voter, then this might be a breaking point.
I disagree with the idea that genocide
is necessary to defend the country.
They aren't making Israel more secure.
Nay, they're inflaming violent foes.
For Israel, it's all about vengeance,
not defense.
I tend to compare the overall aspects of each party's platform (in Canada there are more than two!) and decide who most aligns with my value set. And then I vote for the one with the most humourous name. If "Melanie Multiball" ever runs for Prime Minister, I'm in.
I'm not saying that I won't vote for Harris.
But it should be questioned.
She should be challenged.
Hence the titular question.

I like saying "titular".
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I had the misfortune of turning on my radio this morning.
I heard coverage of the DNC convention.
No voice for Palestinians allowed.
Harris parroted the Biden lament about misery in Gaza.
Harris parroted the Biden code phrase for allowing the
genocide to continue...."Israel has the right to self defense".
Both advocate widespread price controls.
Both favor government seizing private assets.

It's beginning to appear that she's just a clone of Biden.
But a DEI version. (They repeatedly make a big deal about
her sex & race....& how presidential her pantsuits are.)
I admit I was hoping for more, but I can (sort of) understand why the Palestinians weren't allowed. Once on the stage, there's no contolling what they say, and the DNC was trying desperately to inculcate an overall feeling of joy and hopefulness. This is still a close race, and there are still opportunities for the Republicans to put Trump back into offfice. That, in their view -- and in mine -- would be an absolute disaster. And I do most sincerely mean absolute!

She was, in my view, fairly full-throated about Gaza's suffering, but yes, it's also true that she allowed that Israel has the right to self-defense -- and to exist! I do not consider this, unlike you, to be "code" for permitting genocide. I continue to believe that there can be no solution to this problem that does not include the right for both Israel and Palestine to exist, and for each to have sovereignty over themselves. And I say this: I see zero evidence that Republicans, should they gain power, will have any sympathy at all with the Palestinians. They have been clear, as late as this June, about what they would permit the government to spend money on: Some of the items in the NDAA and SFOPS bills include:
  • A complete ban on using U.S. funds to rebuild or build anew in Gaza
  • A ban on any funds being used to facilitate admitting and resettling refugees from Gaza in the United States
  • A firm ban on Defense Department contracts and any funding by DoD or State of any entity—business or government—that participates in any boycott of Israel (note, this will affect European countries as it will include territories controlled by Israel, i.e. settlements)
  • A permanent ban on construction of any kind of port or pier off the Gaza coastline.
  • Ending funding for the Office of Palestinian Affairs in the State Department
  • Slashing 15% of the budget for the United Nations and U.N. agencies across the board
  • Banning all funding for UNRWA
  • Cutting all funding to the World Health Organization, International Court of Justice, and International Criminal Court
If that looks like the solution you want, then go ahead, cast your vote for Trump or somebody else. But in my view, voting for Harris and Democrats down the ticket is clearly preferable at thsi juncture.
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
The presidency is a competency, integrity and leadership position.
The pro-Palestinian protesters are being ignored because there's nothing that will satisfy them.
There could be a ceasefire today and they'll still not vote, find another excuse to not vote.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I had the misfortune of turning on my radio this morning.
I heard coverage of the DNC convention.
No voice for Palestinians allowed.
Harris parroted the Biden lament about misery in Gaza.
Harris parroted the Biden code phrase for allowing the
genocide to continue...."Israel has the right to self defense".
Both advocate widespread price controls.
Both favor government seizing private assets.

It's beginning to appear that she's just a clone of Biden.
But a DEI version. (They repeatedly make a big deal about
her sex & race....& how presidential her pantsuits are.)

IMO, it doesn't matter who she is. She is just a place holder. The presidential candidate nobody wanted.
Now she is key to keeping the democrats in power or keeping the republican out of power.

If you have no party interests, none of it is going to make sense.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I admit I was hoping for more, but I can (sort of) understand why the Palestinians weren't allowed. Once on the stage, there's no contolling what they say, and the DNC was trying desperately to inculcate an overall feeling of joy and hopefulness. This is still a close race, and there are still opportunities for the Republicans to put Trump back into offfice. That, in their view -- and in mine -- would be an absolute disaster. And I do most sincerely mean absolute!
You hit the nail on the head...controlling what's said.
Genocide must continue to be tacitly approved of,
in order to win elections & stay in power.
Who knows what she actually believes, eh.
But she's made no proposals to stop sending money
& materiel to Israel to use for killing Palestinians.
She was, in my view, fairly full-throated about Gaza's suffering, but yes, it's also true that she allowed that Israel has the right to self-defense -- and to exist! I do not consider this, unlike you, to be "code" for permitting genocide.
Note that she never said that other people have
the right to exist & to defend themselves, eg,
the Palestinians.
And as I said earlier, when Israel is criticized for
massive overkill, the perfunctory response is
"Israel has the right to defend itself."
The fact that this phrase is universally used to
deflect from recognition of genocide taking place
is what makes it "code" for approval.
I continue to believe that there can be no solution to this problem that does not include the right for both Israel and Palestine to exist, and for each to have sovereignty over themselves.
Israel's right to exist isn't even an issue in US
politics. It's accepted by both parties. But the
Palestinian right to a country is questionable.
And I say this: I see zero evidence that Republicans, should they gain power, will have any sympathy at all with the Palestinians. They have been clear, as late as this June, about what they would permit the government to spend money on: Some of the items in the NDAA and SFOPS bills include:
  • A complete ban on using U.S. funds to rebuild or build anew in Gaza
  • A ban on any funds being used to facilitate admitting and resettling refugees from Gaza in the United States
  • A firm ban on Defense Department contracts and any funding by DoD or State of any entity—business or government—that participates in any boycott of Israel (note, this will affect European countries as it will include territories controlled by Israel, i.e. settlements)
  • A permanent ban on construction of any kind of port or pier off the Gaza coastline.
  • Ending funding for the Office of Palestinian Affairs in the State Department
  • Treating the West Bank and Gaza as two separate units. This has long been a goal of those who wish to frustrate the aspirations for a Palestinian state in favor of a Greater Israel, as noted by Lara Friedman of the Foundation for Middle East Peace (whose regular updates and reporting provided much of the information for this article)
  • Slashing 15% of the budget for the United Nations and U.N. agencies across the board
  • Banning all funding for UNRWA
  • Cutting all funding to the World Health Organization, International Court of Justice, and International Criminal Court
Yes, Trump & Magas are terrible....worse than Genocide Joe & Harris.
But we should question Harris's dubious & as-yet-unknown agendas.
We shouldn't blindly vote for anyone the Dems run, just because
they're not Trump.
If that looks like the solution you want, then go ahead, cast your vote for Trump or somebody else. But in my view, voting for Harris and Democrats down the ticket is clearly preferable at thsi juncture.
You mis-understand this thread being about the question posed.
Don't make it about whom I'll vote for.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
IMO, it doesn't matter who she is. She is just a place holder. The presidential candidate nobody wanted.
Now she is key to keeping the democrats in power or keeping the republican out of power.

If you have no party interests, none of it is going to make sense.
I like telling these "placeholders" that we
object to some of their acts & agendas.
I loathe the idea of unqualified & uncritical
support.
She shouldn't take my vote for granted, just
because she's not Trump.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I like telling these "placeholders" that we
object to some of their acts & agendas.
I loathe the idea of unqualified & uncritical
support.
She shouldn't take my vote for granted, just
because she's not Trump.

Being a member of one of the two major parties guarantees about 1/3 of the vote. Leaves about 1/3 of voters in play.
About 58% of Americans support Israel. So a majority of independent voters likely support Israel.

Neither party can afford to not support Israel in this election.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I had the misfortune of turning on my radio this morning.
I heard coverage of the DNC convention.
No voice for Palestinians allowed.
Harris parroted the Biden lament about misery in Gaza.
Harris parroted the Biden code phrase for allowing the
genocide to continue...."Israel has the right to self defense".
Both advocate widespread price controls.
Both favor government seizing private assets.

It's beginning to appear that she's just a clone of Biden.
But a DEI version. (They repeatedly make a big deal about
her sex & race....& how presidential her pantsuits are.)

Did anyone expect any different?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Her new image is "Freedom".
Yet she advocates a more powerful government,
able to dictate our prices, & confiscate our assets.
Oh, & perpetuating the genocide we pay for in Gaza.
Dictate our prices? Do you mean stop price gouging?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
No....I'm discussing how both parties are making a big deal of it.
Magas do it to demonize her.
Dems do it to sell her.

Do you believe that it's wrong to observe this obsession
that each side has, & to broach the topic?
Harris is both Indian and Jamaican, with Jamaican a blend of 80.3% Sub-Saharan African, 10% European, and 5.7% East Asian. Harris is more than biracial. She was raised by her Indian Mother and her extended Indian Family. She is selling herself as black to pander, because she needs the black vote. Her hair is straight like Indian woman. Below is a picture from the link below that says all three women are South East Asian. The one of the right, is JD Vances wife who is Indian.

During this unforgettable summer in politics, Indian American women have arrived



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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The presidency is a competency, integrity and leadership position.
The pro-Palestinian protesters are being ignored because there's nothing that will satisfy them.
There could be a ceasefire today and they'll still not vote, find another excuse to not vote.
Guess what? I'm voting for Harris.
 
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