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I who have shunned calling myself a Hindu and have freed my heart and soul from the bondage of collective and congregating religious faiths and culminations therefrom. declare loudly and firmly that to me there (apart from government classifications today and the continuous misquotes of millions by others) IS NO RELIGION IN THE WORLD CALLED HINDUISM and the recently coined stupid word HINDUTVA that is incorrect in Sanskrit using the adjective 'TVA'
The word Hindu has its origins in Arabic Hind or Hindi referring to the river Indus and the people living by it. Some 11th-century Arab historians such as Ibn Khaldun and 11th-century Arab travelers like Ibn Battuta have written the words 'Saif Al Hindi' to mean Indian swords and Ahl Al Hind and Hindu for the Indian people.
Because of their dark skin, the Indians were called Hindu by the people of Iran where the word had become synonymous with the Persian word 'Syah" that means black. The famous lines of Shamsaldeen Hafiz Shirazi need a mention here:
"AGAR AAN TURK I SHIRAZI BADAST AARAD DIL I MA RA
BAKHAL I HINDUWASH BAKHSHAM SAMARQAND O BUKHARA RA"
The couplet in Persian translates as follows, "If that Turkish beauty from Shiraz wishes to pluck my heart by her own hand, I shall willingly bestow the (rich) cities of Samarqand and Bukhara in exchange (being greater in value than my heart) of the black mole (on her cheek). Here the words "Khal e Hindu"
or a black mole conveys the attribute of the dark skins of Indian people in a general sense.
There is neither in Vedic or Upanishadic nor in the Sanskrit epics of the Ramayana and Mahabharata, any mention of the Hindi/Urdu/English word Hindu in any of their texts and/or commentaries.
There is a Sanskrit word 'SANATANA DHARMA' in these texts and commentaries, that means a traditional behaviour and rites being adopted and collectively followed by the Aryans that had invaded India and destroyed the cities and habitats of the Indus Valley Civilization and enslaved its dark skinned natives the Dravidians and termed them Shudras (Outcasts).
But that Sanatana Dharma was a general term for the multi-faith Aryans who as the ancient Greeks and Iranians had their own sets of worshippers of different gods and goddesses and had social disputes amongst them. There were sectarian disputes between the worshippers of Shiva called the Shaiva sect and the worshippers of Vishnu called the Vaishnava sect and there were inter sect clashes and bloodsheds as these sects did not see eye to eye for centuries. The worshipped gods of the Iranians the Assurs were called Assurs or Daityas by the Aryans, in the same manner, the worshipped gods of the Aryans the Devas were termed 'Deo' or demons by the Iranians. Both Iranians and Aryans of India originated in central Asia and both call themselves Aryans.
By the passing of thirty centuries (Read: A. L. Basham - The wonder that was India and Sir Alexander Cunningham - Book of Indian Eras) the belligerence between Aryan sects in India had more or less ended and these sects were unified in a reconciliatory religious behavior and tenets called the aforementioned Sanatana Dharma. The deities of the vanquished and enslaved Dravidians to were gradually adopted and worshipped in Aryan temples, the most noteworthy being the goddess Kali/Kalika/Karumariamman who got to be viewed as another incarnation of the goddess Uma/Durga the consort of Shiva. This was the age when the lores called Puranas were being written in hymns and praise of Shiva and Vishnu and other deities. A Sino-Tibetan and Buddhist female deity called Tara too got recognition and equation with Kali/Kalika and Durga. However, the worshippers of Tara/Kali/Kalika had their own rituals called Vama Marga or the Left Path that differentiated them from the Dakshina Marga, the Right Pathed Sanatana Dharma followers. The Vama Margis followed animal and human sacrifice rituals, eating of beef and meat of sacrificed animals and humans; acts of attaining spiritual bliss and ecstasy in Yogic sex (individual couples or congregational groups) called and termed as Tantra Sadhana or Tantra Vidya/Vama Vidya and partake of ejaculated and collected male sperm and female orgasmically discharged fluid in such sessions of congregational sexual cum spiritual orgies.
The Sanatana Dharma by the time of Sankaracharya had become so diversified and disunited and blended with Buddhist and Jaina customs and rituals that there was no cohesion and unison in them. Every temple or monastery had its own sectarian following called the Sampradaya. Every Guru had his own set of rituals for his following. Sankaracharya as a reformer held countrywide discourses and debates to bring together these Sampradayas into one platform and formed ten different orders of celibate monks called the Sannyasis and the married householder enlightened teachers called the Goswamis (literally cow owners) and five prominent monasteries called the Mathas or Mutts.
Further reforms and reformers like Guru Nanak and Krishna Chaitanya and Kabir gave new shapes and hues to this variant worshipping society of Indian Aryan based and mixed groups.
The Muslim Pathan and Mughal rulers and the British who came to rule India after they called these non-Christian, non-Muslim idol-worshipping or monotheistic Indians as Hindus.
This is why I say that nothing called Hinduism ever existed or exists as a religion and it is India's misfortune that the word remains enshrined in our Constitution and Laws and a new stupid word Hindutva has been coined and adopted by India's extreme right wing politicians and their ignorant following.
I who have shunned calling myself a Hindu and have freed my heart and soul from the bondage of collective and congregating religious faiths and culminations therefrom. declare loudly and firmly that to me there (apart from government classifications today and the continuous misquotes of millions by others) IS NO RELIGION IN THE WORLD CALLED HINDUISM and the recently coined stupid word HINDUTVA that is incorrect in Sanskrit using the adjective 'TVA'
The word Hindu has its origins in Arabic Hind or Hindi referring to the river Indus and the people living by it. Some 11th-century Arab historians such as Ibn Khaldun and 11th-century Arab travelers like Ibn Battuta have written the words 'Saif Al Hindi' to mean Indian swords and Ahl Al Hind and Hindu for the Indian people.
Because of their dark skin, the Indians were called Hindu by the people of Iran where the word had become synonymous with the Persian word 'Syah" that means black. The famous lines of Shamsaldeen Hafiz Shirazi need a mention here:
"AGAR AAN TURK I SHIRAZI BADAST AARAD DIL I MA RA
BAKHAL I HINDUWASH BAKHSHAM SAMARQAND O BUKHARA RA"
The couplet in Persian translates as follows, "If that Turkish beauty from Shiraz wishes to pluck my heart by her own hand, I shall willingly bestow the (rich) cities of Samarqand and Bukhara in exchange (being greater in value than my heart) of the black mole (on her cheek). Here the words "Khal e Hindu"
or a black mole conveys the attribute of the dark skins of Indian people in a general sense.
There is neither in Vedic or Upanishadic nor in the Sanskrit epics of the Ramayana and Mahabharata, any mention of the Hindi/Urdu/English word Hindu in any of their texts and/or commentaries.
There is a Sanskrit word 'SANATANA DHARMA' in these texts and commentaries, that means a traditional behaviour and rites being adopted and collectively followed by the Aryans that had invaded India and destroyed the cities and habitats of the Indus Valley Civilization and enslaved its dark skinned natives the Dravidians and termed them Shudras (Outcasts).
But that Sanatana Dharma was a general term for the multi-faith Aryans who as the ancient Greeks and Iranians had their own sets of worshippers of different gods and goddesses and had social disputes amongst them. There were sectarian disputes between the worshippers of Shiva called the Shaiva sect and the worshippers of Vishnu called the Vaishnava sect and there were inter sect clashes and bloodsheds as these sects did not see eye to eye for centuries. The worshipped gods of the Iranians the Assurs were called Assurs or Daityas by the Aryans, in the same manner, the worshipped gods of the Aryans the Devas were termed 'Deo' or demons by the Iranians. Both Iranians and Aryans of India originated in central Asia and both call themselves Aryans.
By the passing of thirty centuries (Read: A. L. Basham - The wonder that was India and Sir Alexander Cunningham - Book of Indian Eras) the belligerence between Aryan sects in India had more or less ended and these sects were unified in a reconciliatory religious behavior and tenets called the aforementioned Sanatana Dharma. The deities of the vanquished and enslaved Dravidians to were gradually adopted and worshipped in Aryan temples, the most noteworthy being the goddess Kali/Kalika/Karumariamman who got to be viewed as another incarnation of the goddess Uma/Durga the consort of Shiva. This was the age when the lores called Puranas were being written in hymns and praise of Shiva and Vishnu and other deities. A Sino-Tibetan and Buddhist female deity called Tara too got recognition and equation with Kali/Kalika and Durga. However, the worshippers of Tara/Kali/Kalika had their own rituals called Vama Marga or the Left Path that differentiated them from the Dakshina Marga, the Right Pathed Sanatana Dharma followers. The Vama Margis followed animal and human sacrifice rituals, eating of beef and meat of sacrificed animals and humans; acts of attaining spiritual bliss and ecstasy in Yogic sex (individual couples or congregational groups) called and termed as Tantra Sadhana or Tantra Vidya/Vama Vidya and partake of ejaculated and collected male sperm and female orgasmically discharged fluid in such sessions of congregational sexual cum spiritual orgies.
The Sanatana Dharma by the time of Sankaracharya had become so diversified and disunited and blended with Buddhist and Jaina customs and rituals that there was no cohesion and unison in them. Every temple or monastery had its own sectarian following called the Sampradaya. Every Guru had his own set of rituals for his following. Sankaracharya as a reformer held countrywide discourses and debates to bring together these Sampradayas into one platform and formed ten different orders of celibate monks called the Sannyasis and the married householder enlightened teachers called the Goswamis (literally cow owners) and five prominent monasteries called the Mathas or Mutts.
Further reforms and reformers like Guru Nanak and Krishna Chaitanya and Kabir gave new shapes and hues to this variant worshipping society of Indian Aryan based and mixed groups.
The Muslim Pathan and Mughal rulers and the British who came to rule India after they called these non-Christian, non-Muslim idol-worshipping or monotheistic Indians as Hindus.
This is why I say that nothing called Hinduism ever existed or exists as a religion and it is India's misfortune that the word remains enshrined in our Constitution and Laws and a new stupid word Hindutva has been coined and adopted by India's extreme right wing politicians and their ignorant following.
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