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is his opinion is fact or propaganda (lies) ?
- Thread starter Godobeyer
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The people fighting each other in Syria are not Jews.
The two major political poles conflicting with each other in Egypt (the Islamists and supporters of As-Sisi) are not Jews.
The Shi'as and Sunnis killing each other in Iraq are not Jews.
The extremist scholars and their supporters in Saudi Arabia are not Jews.
If Israel is indeed trying to bring down the Arab world, it is doing so by the hands of the Arab world's own inhabitants. Israeli is but a mere spot on the map of the Middle East. The Arab world has oil, land, and a numerical advantage on Israel. Guess who is the main culprit in getting the Arab world to reach its current miserable state.
My guess: It is not Israel.
The two major political poles conflicting with each other in Egypt (the Islamists and supporters of As-Sisi) are not Jews.
The Shi'as and Sunnis killing each other in Iraq are not Jews.
The extremist scholars and their supporters in Saudi Arabia are not Jews.
If Israel is indeed trying to bring down the Arab world, it is doing so by the hands of the Arab world's own inhabitants. Israeli is but a mere spot on the map of the Middle East. The Arab world has oil, land, and a numerical advantage on Israel. Guess who is the main culprit in getting the Arab world to reach its current miserable state.
My guess: It is not Israel.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Having a go at the Jews is one way of distracting attention from Islamic extremism I suppose.
Shias and Sunnis start killing each other after MORE after USA invade Iraq
Saudi Arabia host Mecca and Medina and very big media , so most of Muslims listen and may follow to their scholars .
These extremist scholars belong (could controled) by Saudi Arabia regime (agree ?),Saudi Arabia regime is follower (sheeps) to USA (agree ?) and USA policy dominated by AIPAC(agree ?),the result = AIPAC is root of the problem .
I hope you understand my view by linked all together ; I am talking about influence indirect and intervention of West (AIPAC) in Arab world .
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Jeez, such a zany portrayal of Jews. Like they're collectively a bunch of telepathic, telekinetic, hive-minded supervillains. I hear that they've built a death ray on the moon, which is aimed right at Mecca as we speak.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
No. But I doubt that you understand basic Diplomacy between countries.
Good that there is exactly and only one Lobby in the USA.
Its all so simple.
But I am glad that the glorious Mujahideen will save us from the vile Jew.
1) Yes, the Sunni-Shi'a conflict was arguably made worse by the United States' intervention in Iraq, but the seed of hatred between them had already been there. The U.S. didn't plant it.
2) So a lot of Muslims listen to Saudi scholars without any intervention from the "West" or Israel. Whose fault is that? Right... neither the West's nor Israel's.
3) The extremist scholars are supported by the Saudi regime, yes, and I agree that the Saudi regime is a puppet of the U.S.
4) No, I don't agree that the policies of the U.S. are dominated by the AIPAC. Things don't work so simply in a powerful country like the U.S.
The U.S. and some Western countries definitely intervene in the Middle East to bolster their own interests, but the seeds of many of the Middle East's problems weren't planted by anyone but some Middle Eastern people. Blaming others for the mistakes of a lot of Middle Eastern people reeks of intellectual complacency and lack of self-examination.
You're so old school.
We wear aluminum these days, toots!
And we may look fabulous!
rosends
Well-Known Member
It isn't AIPAC...it is the ZOG. Same conspiracy theory, different letters.
There are lots of lobbies and PACs. But the Jews run things?
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/
There are lots of lobbies and PACs. But the Jews run things?
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/
I don't think that this is true. USA policies did more damage before that. We instigated the war between Iraq and Iran, with casualties estimated at close to a million.
After toppling Iran's democracy we supported a king, Shah Pahlavi. When Saddam Hussein toppled Iraq's government, we supported him. What the two governments had in common was being "good for USA businesses" and being hated by majorities of their people. When the Iranians gave Pahlavi the boot the USA turned to Hussein to regain control of Iranian oil fields, supporting his invasion. That didn't work. Then Hussein tried to take control of Kuwait, but the USA did not need that so we opposed that invasion. USA knew Hussein was weak and expected the Iraqis to overthrow him, but he hung on for years. To regain control of the oil fields we had to topple him ourselves.
So we did. Although that didn't work out well either.
And the end result of all this greed is the mess with which we are all currently living.
Tom
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
And where may we buy such a fine hat?You're so old school.
We wear aluminum these days, toots!
And we may look fabulous!
My own personal opinion is that Israel would prefer a peace with those countries such as the treaty they had with Egypt from the Jimmy Carter presidency. That seemed to work pretty well for several years. And, no there is no "Jewish Lobby" controlling USA policy.....We have many , many, countless lobbies that do that
we seem almost agree except 4
I believe AIPAC had dominated US policies , that's why USA vote against Palestine many times , that's why USA invade Iraq and that's why Israel want to push USA in war against Iran .
I believe AIPAC is strongest lobby in USA , there is no US president can access to white house without permission of AIPAC .
some claim by saying USA is occupied by Israel
it's weird that USA Jewish Lobby helped Israelis instead helping of millions of poor Americans , inside America .
Which strongest Lobby in USA ?My own personal opinion is that Israel would prefer a peace with those countries such as the treaty they had with Egypt from the Jimmy Carter presidency. That seemed to work pretty well for several years. And, no there is no "Jewish Lobby" controlling USA policy.....We have many , many, countless lobbies that do that
Here is a link to a site that names some of the largest lobbies in the USA. Yes the pro Israel lobby is big but its not the biggest. There are lots of lobby groups in the USA and no single one or even ten controls the country. Anyway here is the link, enjoy;
http://www.businesspundit.com/10-of-the-biggest-lobbies-in-washington/
AIPAC is powerful, but not for the reasons you think. Nor are they as powerful as you think that they are.
Most Zionists in the world are probably US Christian fundamentalist. They believe that Israel will bring about the Second Return of Jesus. Oil companies also want an army close to the oil fields of the ME. Weapons manufacturers make billions supplying the armies.
There are many reasons for AIPAC that have almost nothing to do with Jewish people.
Tom
I was talking about which take had almost full control on USA foreign politics , not
The Tech Lobby
or The Agribusiness ,
The Mining Industry
which one is top, is not AIPAC ?
I know that many US Christains are Zionists and support Israel , so how is work that they support Jews for bring back Jesus (pbuh) to Christians lol
actuatly i will feel shame if am Christian , then i believe that Jesus (pbuh) will comeback to Jews , not to me .
AIPAC full control in USA VETO when it's about Palestin .
I'm not the best person to explain this, I think it is a bunch of nonsense. But Jesus comes back for everyone, and Israel must exist and rebuild the Temple first, according to many people. If anyone blows up Al Aqsa it is more likely to be Christians than Jews.
They are not as powerful as you think. But they do have support from a lot of people for very different reasons.
Tom