Is Homeopathy Effective?

[Tiberius]

From a discussion in another thread where @Trailblazer mentioned that she takes the position that homeopathic medicines have been tested and have a place in medical treatments. I disagree, and hold that there has never been any scientific test that shows that homeopathic methods have created any effective medicines.

I'd be interested in hearing from any pro-homeopathy people here. Do you have any evidence that homeopathic remedies have any effectiveness for any medical condition? If so, could you present it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

In the US homeopathic medicines have to have a sticker on them that essentially say that they do not work.

Though that is not true for al "homeopathic" medicines. The marketing people at various plants have gotten smarter. They will add a perfectly legal medicine that does work to homeopathic medicines. The pain reliever in Tylenol is quite common. So now some of them do actually "work" but it is not the homeopathic medicine, it is the added real medicine.

Save your money and buy some Tylenol. It is cheaper and does the same thing.

 

[John53]

From a discussion in another thread where @Trailblazer mentioned that she takes the position that homeopathic medicines have been tested and have a place in medical treatments. I disagree, and hold that there has never been any scientific test that shows that homeopathic methods have created any effective medicines.

I'd be interested in hearing from any pro-homeopathy people here. Do you have any evidence that homeopathic remedies have any effectiveness for any medical condition? If so, could you present it?

I'm not pro-homoeopathy as I've never used it but I have been looking into alternatives as I grow more disillusioned with traditional doctors, my 2 biggest health problems are Menier's Disease and IBS, the doctors seem to just treat symptoms and are not interested in finding what is causing the problems. I've learnt to control IBS with diet but the Menier's gets worse as I get older, there's not many days I don't feel off balance and have pressure in my ears. I would like to know if anyone has tried homoeopathy for these conditions.

 

[Valjean]

Works as well as any other placebo.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's a quack 'remedy'.

Regard homeopathy as a placebo.

 

[Valjean]

It's a quack 'remedy'

So it's useful for treating ducks?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So it's useful for treating ducks?

Maybe as seasoning. ;0]

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not pro-homoeopathy as I've never used it but I have been looking into alternatives as I grow more disillusioned with traditional doctors, my 2 biggest health problems are Menier's Disease and IBS, the doctors seem to just treat symptoms and are not interested in finding what is causing the problems. I've learnt to control IBS with diet but the Menier's gets worse as I get older, there's not many days I don't feel off balance and have pressure in my ears. I would like to know if anyone has tried homoeopathy for these conditions.

Homeopathy is diluting a "medicine" so much that it would be surprising to find one molecule of medicine in a tablet. It says "water can remember the half of a gram of medicine that it was in contact with but has forgotten the two tons of sewage that it was mixed with earlier.

 

[Trailblazer]

From a discussion in another thread where @Trailblazer mentioned that she takes the position that homeopathic medicines have been tested and have a place in medical treatments. I disagree, and hold that there has never been any scientific test that shows that homeopathic methods have created any effective medicines.

I'd be interested in hearing from any pro-homeopathy people here. Do you have any evidence that homeopathic remedies have any effectiveness for any medical condition? If so, could you present it?

Homeopathy: A Healthier Way To Treat Depression?

 

[Valjean]

I've always wondered why someone didn't just buy a small bottle of some remedy and drip a drop into a bathtub full of water for a lifetime supply, for the whole neighborhood.

Must be a lucrative business, selling high-priced water....

 

[Tiberius]

Homeopathy is diluting a "medicine" so much that it would be surprising to find one molecule of medicine in a tablet. It says "water can remember the half of a gram of medicine that it was in contact with but has forgotten the two tons of sewage that it was mixed with earlier.

Let's not forget the "like cures like" idea as well...

 

[Tiberius]

Homeopathy: A Healthier Way To Treat Depression?

From that article:

This meta-analysis of antidepressant medications found only modest benefits over placebo treatment in published research, but when unpublished trial data is included, the benefit falls below accepted criteria for clinical significance.

In other words, it's bunk.

EDIT: Yes, I realise that I misread the quote. I deal with that in post 30.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I've always wondered why someone didn't just buy a small bottle of some remedy and drip a drop into a bathtub full of water for a lifetime supply, for the whole neighborhood.

Must be a lucrative business, selling high-priced water....

Snakeoil has been a long time profitable profession.

 

[Trailblazer]

Must be a lucrative business, selling high-priced water....

Not anywhere near as lucrative as the big pharma. I suggest you do some research before you talk.

 

[John53]

Homeopathy is diluting a "medicine" so much that it would be surprising to find one molecule of medicine in a tablet. It says "water can remember the half of a gram of medicine that it was in contact with but has forgotten the two tons of sewage that it was mixed with earlier.

No argument from me but the theory of the treatment that interests me. I doubt very much if it works but I'd still like to hear from people who have tried it.

 

[Trailblazer]

From that article:

This meta-analysis of antidepressant medications found only modest benefits over placebo treatment in published research, but when unpublished trial data is included, the benefit falls below accepted criteria for clinical significance.

In other words, it's bunk.

I did not post that to get into a debate with you. Did you read the whole article or did you just cherry pick what you wanted to use to back up what you already believe?

Cherry picking is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone focuses only on evidence that supports their stance, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. For example, a person who engages in cherry picking might mention only a small number of studies out of all the studies which were published on a certain topic, in an attempt to make it look as if the scientific consensus matches their stance.

Cherry Picking: When People Ignore Evidence that They Dislike – Effectiviology

You are so biased I could never reason with you, so I will leave you with all the other biased people.

I have a DHom degree from a school of homeopathy which I attended for four years so I know more about how homeopathy works than you and your sidekicks.

Bye.

 

[Trailblazer]

No argument from me but the theory of the treatment that interests me. I doubt very much if it works but I'd still like to hear from people who have tried it.

Back in the 1980s when I was clinically depressed I took antidepressant drugs for five years. They were barely able to keep me above the depression so I could continue to work but I was still depressed. I almost died once when the psychiatrist mixed two different classes of drugs which landed me in the hospital but nothing else had worked and that is why he tried that as an experiment.

They say antidepressant drugs are not addictive but every time I tried to wean myself off of them I was suicidal so I had to stay on the drugs until I found a homeopathic doctor who was a licensed medical doctor registered with the AMA. Within a month of being on a homeopathic remedy I was able to get off the drugs and I was never depressed again.

All the drugs did was suppress the symptoms of the depression, they did not cure the disease. That is why people have to stay on those drugs for life and switch back and forth from drug to drug to try to find a drug that works. Then as soon as they go off the drugs they are depressed again because the drugs do not cure the depression, they only suppress symptoms, and they do not do a very good job of that as many depressed people will tell you..

I had been depressed all of my life It took a long time to work through all the layers of childhood issues I had which had caused the depression but I never had to take any more antidepressant drugs again. Both my parents and my sister and brother were depressed as well because it is hereditary, but homeopathy changes the gene imprint that causes depression and that is one reason the depression never returns.

I do not are if anybody believes me, I know what happened to me and I know how homeopathy works because studied if for four years and got a DHom. degree. I also wrote many research papers that the school wanted to publish although I declined.

 

[sun rise]

Menier's Disease

Have you been through everything the Mayo Clinic notes as potential treatment Meniere's disease - Diagnosis and treatment - Mayo Clinic

 

[Tiberius]

I did not post that to get into a debate with you. Did you read the whole article or did you just cherry pick what you wanted to use to back up what you already believe?

Cherry picking is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone focuses only on evidence that supports their stance, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. For example, a person who engages in cherry picking might mention only a small number of studies out of all the studies which were published on a certain topic, in an attempt to make it look as if the scientific consensus matches their stance.

Cherry Picking: When People Ignore Evidence that They Dislike – Effectiviology

You are so biased I could never reason with you, so I will leave you with all the other biased people.

I have a DHom degree from a school of homeopathy which I attended for four years so I know more about how homeopathy works than you and your sidekicks.

Bye.

I'm sorry...

I'm taking the conclusions of a metanalysis performed by actual scientists as more accurate than an opinion piece from the Huffington Post, and you accuse me of being biased?

How about you, thinking that the two are of equal weight?

If there is something in there that you think supports homeopathy, then quote it. You could have done that when you first posted the link. But you didn't. You just put the link up without comment, and now you're complaining that I didn't reach the same conclusion as you about it, and you are trying to make me out to be the bad guy here.

 

[Tiberius]

Within a month of being on a homeopathic remedy I was able to get off the drugs and I was never depressed again.

I'm glad you were able to beat your depression. Would you like to share what exactly this homeopathic remedy was?