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Is homosexuality a choice?

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
IMHO, I would believe that Homosexuality is a choice. Why? Because we have freewill. Besides, we are under the law of cause and effect. "If we do well, we shall be accepted; if we do not do
well, sin will lie at our door." Then, it will be our turn to use our freewill to either react to our unatural desires or allow them to rule over us. Only to irrational animals that intellectual gift has not been granted to.(Gen. 4:7)
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
The religious right is facing a dilemma. Why would god create individuals gay and then turn around and send them to hell for being gay? It’s just another one of those quirky little bible things that don’t make a lot of sense. But I have to hand it to them, instead of relying on the “lord works in mysterious ways” copout. They conclude that being gay must be a personal choice. This puts the responsibility right back on man. Yet, I know for a fact that being gay is not a choice. How do I know? Simple; there is no way on earth I can go out and carry on a sexual relationship with another man. I find the thought of it personally revolting. I don’t need to read a scientific study to realize that homosexuality is not a choice for me. And for those of you who think I can learn to be gay. Well, my brother is gay; how did he learn it and I did not. We grew up together sharing the same life experiences.
My friend, who is very religious and reads the bible every day, has concluded that anyone who is practicing homosexuality is going to hell; plain and simple. According to him, they have a choice to be “good” (heterosexual) or “bad” (homosexual). Yet, in order for his “homosexuality is a choice” claim to hold water, he proclaims to me that he has the ability to go out tonight and have oral sex with another man! He just chooses not to. If you knew him, you would immediately realize how ridiculous his claim is. He is straighter than a laser beam. All I can say is that I’m glad I’m not religious, having to make these idiotic claims. I think I would much rather go with the “lord works in mysterious ways” excuse.


God has nothing to do with homosexuality or with sending to Hell anyone who is gay. First of all, because there is no Hell so that anyone be sent there. Then,
according to the law of cause and effect, Hell will the homosexual suffer if he gets into excesses and acquires AIDS. The incidence of AIDS on homosexuals is still
of about 80 percent. So, IMO, one is bette off curbing his unnatural tendences and desires. The secret is to fight against one's evil inclinations. Remember that
God created man straight but some of them misused their freewill to go after many irrational behaviours. (Eccl. 7:29)
 
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The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
IMHO, I would believe that Homosexuality is a choice. Why? Because we have freewill. Besides, we are under the law of cause and effect. "If we do well, we shall be accepted; if we do not do
well, sin will lie at our door." Then, it will be our turn to use our freewill to either react to our unatural desires or allow them to rule over us. Only to irrational animals that intellectual gift has not been granted to.(Gen. 4:7)

People much much smarter than you disagree with you.

The actual gay people disagree with you (and they are in the best position to know)

Now taking this into consideration how do you still hold a contradictory belief on the subject?
 

Corkscrew

I'm ready to believe
IMHO, I would believe that Homosexuality is a choice. Why? Because we have freewill. Besides, we are under the law of cause and effect. "If we do well, we shall be accepted; if we do not do
well, sin will lie at our door." Then, it will be our turn to use our freewill to either react to our unatural desires or allow them to rule over us. Only to irrational animals that intellectual gift has not been granted to.(Gen. 4:7)

You are confusing freewill with physiological makeup. It’s like saying I have the freewill to be a genius.
 

TJ73

Active Member
I'm curious if any homosexuals feel like they had a choice. Have they ever,honestly been attracted to someone of the opposite sex. If they spent anytime contemplating homosexuality. Did they ever feel like they could have been with the opposite sex, perhaps not as happily but could manage to have a good life as a heterosexual.
 

Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
TJ73 said:
I'm curious if any homosexuals feel like they had a choice. Have they ever, honestly been attracted to someone of the opposite sex?

If so, that would be bi-sexual urges, not homosexual urges.

If free will exists, sexual identity, otherwise stated sexual urges, would still not be a choice, but acting on sexual urges would be a choice.

TJ73 said:
If they spent anytime contemplating homosexuality. Did they ever feel like they could have been with the opposite sex, perhaps not as happily but could manage to have a good life as a heterosexual.

But the same thing applies to people who live an exclusively heterosexual lifestyle. If they became very frustrated living an exclusively heterosexual lifestyle, except for religious reasons, most of them would not be living exclusively heterosexual lifestyles. Why should anyone have a sexual lifestyle that frustrates them? Even some proponents of so-called reparative therapy have admitted that the therapy only "works" about 30% of the time, and that results are generally much better for religiously motivated people
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
[homosexuality
n
(Psychology) sexual attraction to or sexual relations with members of the same sex Compare heterosexuality

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003]


Homosexuality has two meanings, both the sexual attraction and the sexual relation.


In my opinion, nobody can choose what attracts oneself sexually, so to say homosexuality is not a choice in this point. However one can choose with whom to have sexual relations, and in this case it is a matter of choice.


Nevertheless, it does NOT mean it is wrong to engage in homosexual relations.
 

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
Did they ever feel like they could have been with the opposite sex, perhaps not as happily but could manage to have a good life as a heterosexual.

Why would they want to reject a lifestyle that makes them happy, is not illegal and is harming no one?
 

Corkscrew

I'm ready to believe
Why would they want to reject a lifestyle that makes them happy, is not illegal and is harming no one?

I couldn’t agree with you more, but there are individuals with some very strange beliefs; specifically, that if you practice homosexuality, when you die, you will go to this place called hell where all this bad !@#$ happens. If you buy into this nonsense it could screw with your head.
 

Duck

Well-Known Member
I'm curious if any homosexuals feel like they had a choice. Have they ever,honestly been attracted to someone of the opposite sex. If they spent anytime contemplating homosexuality. Did they ever feel like they could have been with the opposite sex, perhaps not as happily but could manage to have a good life as a heterosexual.

Not particularly. I tried for 15 years to be attracted to the opposite sex. Sorry ladies, but y'all just don't do anything for me. Gentlemen, well...yumm! Never successfully had sex with women, just not enough interest, even when naked together, to be able to consummate the event. Will I ever have sex with a woman? Honestly, outside of some very specific circumstances involving things best left in the Eros room, I don't foresee any sexual encounters happening.

I could probably live very happily with a female roommate, but I don't think I would be able to be happy in an exclusive relationship that was more intimate than roommates.
 

Diederick

Active Member
what you believe or percieve about yourself may very well be false, i choose hard data over opinion
It was a joke.
this doesnt show wether its a choice or not,
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again this shows nothing, I understand that some people need to hold onto it, just as much as people need to refuse it , but the reality of this changes nothing. I honestly dont care either way but i feel that to move forward people need closure on this.
I wasn't trying to prove that homosexuality is not a choice. I offered a perspective on why people would keep this ridiculous question of 'is it a choice?' alive.
 
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