Is Homosexuality a illness? And how to heal?

[Marisa]

Im a bit confused by this comment. Are you assuming that gay people cannot procreate? Because I have two cousins who are gay and they both have kids.

It's amazing, isn't it? I have two female friends who have surrgated (new word, just made it up) for gay couples. The men provided their own sperm and an egg donor was used. Lesbians, of course, simply need the assistance of a sperm bank. Nothing about sexual orientation has any effect on one's fertility, otherwise we wouldn't have this whole branch of science devoted to help infertile straight couples have babies. I know a few of those, too.

 

[leibowde84]

It's amazing, isn't it? I have two female friends who have surrgated (new word, just made it up) for gay couples. The men provided their own sperm and an egg donor was used. Lesbians, of course, simply need the assistance of a sperm bank. Nothing about sexual orientation has any effect on one's fertility, otherwise we wouldn't have this whole branch of science devoted to help infertile straight couples have babies. I know a few of those, too.

Good point. My cousins were actually both married with kids before they realized how miserable they were living a lie. But their wives are still friends of the family.

 

[columbus]

Sadly, I am not gay,

Dude, this is not sad.
Being gay is extremely inconvenient and limiting. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Tom

 

[Kirran]

Dude, this is not sad.
Being gay is extremely inconvenient and limiting. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Tom

Man, that is sad.

I have a friend who says that, in a perfect world, he's be straight, because it's so tough to have kids for a gay man.

On a more general note, I know three lesbian couples with children.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Im a bit confused by this comment. Are you assuming that gay people cannot procreate? Because I have two cousins who are gay and they both have kids.

Correct, two members of the same sex cannot procreate. Your cousins are lying to you if they told you they can.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Any time someone implies that gay people can't reproduce I laugh.
My partner Doug has four kids and ten grandkids. He'll probably have another half dozen before the kids are done. The children show absolutely no sign of having the slightest gay tendency.
Tom

So what, Doug went against his sexual orientation and had sex with a woman? Not sure what you're saying here.

If this is some sort of surrogate situation, then that wasn't around in ancient/animal societies either.

(Are people actually keeping up with the conversation I was having, or just plucking random stuff I say out of context?)

 

[Kirran]

Sultan of Swing was saying that homosexual sex cannot result in children. This is true. If homosexuality therefore had a monogenic genetic basis, it would be selected out of the gene pool by virtue of the fact that an individual who has homosexual sex and heterosexual sex will not have any children, ignoring recent developments, or the possibility of masturbating and having the result placed in a woman.

As it happens, it's more complex, but let's not get carried away with saying things he wasn't saying.

 

[columbus]

Here's the picture of trans-gay therapy.

You do realize that movies are fictional, right? Imagery is not reality, no matter how engrossing.
Tom

 

[chevron1]

You do realize that movies are fictional, right? Imagery is not reality, no matter how engrossing.
Tom

They are fictional in that the names have been changed. Do you think that this therapy is impossible or not medically correct? In other words, do you think injecting the brain directly with high dose DES estrogen (Diethylstilbestrol) cannot transgenderize a male brain and cause sexual orientation change? Did you read about Bruce Jenner in the link I posted?

If you think the therapy is a hoax, I will try to get feedback from my friend who says he knows alot about this.

Trans-gay is why vin diesel's character is a "new breed of secret agent".

 

[columbus]

They are fictional in that the names have been changed.

This answer is a little scary. It is effectively, "no, I do not realize that movies are fiction".

Do you think that this therapy is impossible or not medically correct? In other words, do you think injecting the brain directly with high dose DES estrogen (Diethylstilbestrol) cannot transgenderize a male brain and cause sexual orientation change? Did you read about Bruce Jenner in the link I posted?

If you think the therapy is a hoax, I will try to get feedback from my friend who says he knows alot about this.

I think believing you have learned about complex psychology from a movie is worse than useless. It is quite dangerous. Hollywood is selling entertainment, not esoteric treatments for poorly understood human behavior.
Tom

 

[chevron1]

complex psychology from a movie is worse than useless. It is quite dangerous. Hollywood is selling entertainment, not esoteric treatments for poorly understood human behavior.
Tom

Movies educate as well as entertain. In any case, XXX State Of The Union, is not openly about gay reparative therapy. I asked if you read that article about Bruce Jenner for a reason. Many psych doctors were consulted about transexual conversion bringing bout sex orientation conversion. that's what this is about: is trans gay therapy possible enough to be worried about it. can you imagine parents who are desperate for their child to be straight would turn to it while the child is sleeping? that's the reason to talk about this, not to dismiss it outright. Many transgenders will tell you that they changed orientation after sex conversion, according to those doctors.

 

[Marisa]

Correct, two members of the same sex cannot procreate. Your cousins are lying to you if they told you they can.

Yes they can, just not with each other.

 

[JoStories]

Indeed.. like many traits, there's probably a bit of both; though the "homosexuals won't have children, therefore the trait can't be inherited" argument doesn't stand either way.


Well, all those brightly-coloured birds and preening? Who's surprised?

The idea that gays don't have children is erroneous. My cousin married his husband and adopted two. My sister's TG son is having a child with her wife via IV. There are several ways that gays can have children.

 

[SomeRandom]

So what, Doug went against his sexual orientation and had sex with a woman? Not sure what you're saying here.

If this is some sort of surrogate situation, then that wasn't around in ancient/animal societies either.

(Are people actually keeping up with the conversation I was having, or just plucking random stuff I say out of context?)

I think people took your comment about gay genes dying because they don't reproduce and ran with it because people often use that as an excuse to claim that homosexuality is abhorrent and should not exist (not saying you were saying that of course. Or meant that by any means. But the argument often carries with it certain implications that most people are sick of.) And they're technically correct. There have always been gay people who have had kids. Doesn't make them less gay, but one could argue they may have had bisexual tendencies or had different definitions on what constitutes homosexual and heterosexual behavior. Pederasty from Ancient Rome comes to mind. The practice was not seen as completely homosexual nor completely heterosexual. Well at least according to modern definitions. A bit of both and neither kind of scenario. On the one hand it was believed to be "training practice" for boys in order to properly satisfy their future wives. On the other the one being penetrated was considered taking a female's role. On the other other hand, this was usually okay if it was the younger one, because they were still learning. On the other other other hand, to continue such a practice after you had "learnt what you needed to" was mocked as you were being "effeminate." Usually not killed or otherwise locked up, but still mocked. IOW the practice was complicated and nuanced.
So one can make the argument that there were homosexuals back then who reveled in the freedom society gave to them during pederasty and may or may not have gotten married and had kids in order to escape harassment of society after their "training duty" was completed.

And surrogacy can actually be traced back to ancient societies. Babylonian society allowed this, for example. I'm sure one could find other ancient societies that allowed this as well.
History - Surrogacy Pregnancy Info
Walking Down The Path Of Surrogacy From Ancient Times To Now! | surrogatemothers.org
HAMMURABI’S CODE & BABYLONIAN LAW

 

[chevron1]

>>Doesn't make them less gay, but one could argue they may have had bisexual tendencies or had different definitions on what constitutes homosexual and heterosexual behavior.

Some bisex people claim to have sex just by urinating on each other. Men can urinate even when they have an erection. That's how gay men can become bi without any therapy. If you can ****, you can have sex. Of course, they can't cum, but they can call themselves bi, and that means that they are more versatile which society likes, because everyone likes more choice. It's just that they can't cum with women. You can marry a woman and just **** into her. That's good sex for some gay-straight marriages.

 

[Etritonakin]

The bible speaks of unnatural USE and vile affections based on disregard of God.
Such is based on an ideal of male and female.

Many things can affect whether a male or female is fully male or female -and leaving the state of "Eden" included adverse effects on genetics.
Such things are not specifically addressed, as far as I know.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

You do not have to be "born that way" to engage in any behavior -but that is not to say that some are not born a certain way.

Sin is transgression of the law -and the law is based on an ideal physical state.

The issue is that disobedience to God -and choosing to govern ourselves -affects our own composition because we do not understand ourselves well enough to maintain an ideal state.

The overall issue is that we must all consider and abide by that which is true for all -because incessant subdivision creates a chaotic state.

That principle applies to all things -not only temporary gender issues.

Luk_20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luk_20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

 

[chevron1]

The issue is that disobedience to God -and choosing to govern ourselves -affects our own composition because we do not understand ourselves well enough to maintain an ideal state.

The overall issue is that we must all consider and abide by that which is true for all -because incessant subdivision creates a chaotic state.

That principle applies to all things -not only temporary gender issues.

Classical Taoism teaches that things are in a state of constant change , which some can interpret as chaos. It teaches how to live in chaos, which is a natural state. Classical Taoism sees homosexuality as part of the streams of transformation, and gays and lesibans have their own destiny in Tao.

In Taoism, sexual relations are about preparing you for afterlife and the return to Tao. The exchange of sexual energy changes you. For example, if you are a hetero male, long term exposure to female hormones from a lover will actually change your body. That's why Taoist sexual practice has basis in science.

In Taoism, sex is not necessarily about having babies. It is also about the exchange of energy to a chosen partner to mark the other, so that you can find them in afterlife. You've heard of couples who stayed together so long, they start to look like each other. Each person has a unique resonance (vibration) profile. The exchange of sexual energies modifies the profiles of both partners. They say that two paired souls in afterlife are like yin and yang. They form a spiritual heartbeat.

For those without a partner, they resonate with the Divine. Many Taoist practitioners choose to develop their energies in solo. Longtime partners are difficult to find and keep. People can change their outlooks unexpectedly, but all things belong to Tao. Because all things come from Tao, Tao automatically resonates with all of them.

Merging Essences: Sex and Sexuality For Life And Afterlife

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Pretty much every respected psychiatric board disagrees with you.

The sheer levels of suicide, depression, anxiety and destruction of self-esteem in these camps, and among those who have left them, are staggering.

They ruin people's lives, by telling them something about them, which is perfectly healthy and natural, is wrong, and sinful, and must be cured. But you CANNOT cure it. Not ultimately. You can trick yourself into denial, and tell yourself you're happy, and force yourself to believe that. But no more than that.

I also pity the woman such a 'happily married man' marries. Always going to be a lie, basically.

https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6LoBt64J4M&h=0AQGvQ-f5

This guy was literally praying to God to take the gay feelings away from him, crying and crying on his prayer mat day after day, for years upon years. He realised it was going nowhere, and, fortunately, accepted it. His parents (Wahhabists) weren't so happy about it, and continually tried to cure him by exorcism. Eventually he attempted suicide, and then just left his family behind, because what on Earth was he supposed to do?

Also, @SomeRandom, good biologying!

Pls refrain from using wahabbists. Its a term used by the kuffar and the shia graveworshippers.

 

[gsa]

Pls refrain from using wahabbists. Its a term used by the kuffar and the shia graveworshippers.

I will continue to use it as it is used by Wikipedia.

 

[Sleeppy]

Always start with understanding.. And never force "help" where it isn't wanted.