Is Homosexuality a illness? And how to heal?

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It just doesn't act to feminise or masculinise the brain, and so treating a man with oestrogen cannot change their sexual orietation. I don't think androgen on a woman could either.

First, please LOOK at Bruce Jenner. He is becoming a woman and he knows it and interviews about it today on TV. He now has female breasts (gynecomastia). Second, trans-therapy harms women too. The link below is about study of women who were given just ONE testosterone supplement and their thinking was altered. Large doses would make the changes permanent.

Testosterone Turns Ladies Into Egocentric Jerks

 

[Kirran]

First, please LOOK at Bruce Jenner. He is becoming a woman and he knows it and interviews about it today on TV. He now has female breasts (gynecomastia). Second, trans-therapy harms women too. The link below is about study of women who were given just ONE testosterone supplement and their thinking was altered. Large doses would make the changes permanent.

Testosterone Turns Ladies Into Egocentric Jerks

Certainly, it has an effect. I never claimed otherwise. Just not on the brain.

As for testosterone and its impact on women, that's an interesting study. But let's remember, testosterone is only one of the androgens which may be used in hormone replacement therapy for transmen, and this study was rather small in scope. I don't think it shows that testosterone turns women lesbian.

 

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Certainly, it has an effect. I never claimed otherwise. Just not on the brain.

How can it NOT affect the brain? It affects women's brains too. In men, estrogen is castration therapy for sex offenders to neutralize their sex drive. The gynecomastia is PERMANENT!!! So is the brain damage. In this picture, his breasts are so big, he needs a bra.

 

[Kirran]

How can it NOT affect the brain? The gynecomastia is PERMANENT!!! So is the brain damage.

Gynecomastia is an endocrine disorder resulting in swelling of the breasts. So this isn't that.

The development of breasts takes place in the chest, not in the brain.

There is no receptor for oestrogen in the brain which functions in feminising it. This is not possible.

Oestrogen may act to inhibit sexual desire and arousal, when used in the quantities it generally is in transgender MtF hormone replacement therapy. But that's not your orientation.

 

[Etritonakin]

The bible speaks of unnatural USE and vile affections based on disregard of God.
Such is based on an ideal of male and female.

Many things can affect whether a male or female is fully male or female -and leaving the state of "Eden" included adverse effects on genetics.
Such things are not specifically addressed, as far as I know.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

You do not have to be "born that way" to engage in any behavior -but that is not to say that some are not born a certain way.

Sin is transgression of the law -and the law is based on an ideal physical state.

The issue is that disobedience to God -and choosing to govern ourselves -affects our own composition because we do not understand ourselves well enough to maintain an ideal state.

The overall issue is that we must all consider and abide by that which is true for all -because incessant subdivision creates a chaotic state.

That principle applies to all things -not only temporary gender issues.

Luk_20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luk_20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

"Homosexuality" is many things.

From a biblical perspective, one who desires to obey the God of the bible should acknowledge that God intended for one male to have sex with one female as long as they both were alive -and that any consideration of anything else under the law would be due to a person actually not being fully female or male.

For example.... Some people have both female and male genitalia. Perhaps not an "illness" as such, but it does show that traits of the two sexes can be mixed.

It is possible that this applies to other things which are not so visible or immediately apparent -I do not know whether or not that is the case, but that is not to say that people don't have any choice about how they express their sexuality -or even whether or not they are attracted to one sex or the other, or both.

It should be noted that the main theme of the bible is overcoming one's nature, to bring themselves into obedience to God -to rule over themselves and their nature -not merely be subject to their nature.

A person might really want to kill, steal, dishonor their parents, work on the sabbath, etc...... But they should do otherwise.

A person might also want to engage in sexual behavior other than what is allowed -but they should do otherwise.

The only consideration otherwise is when the law cannot be easily applied because there is an ACTUAL question as to whether one is male or female.

I know I am a male, so I cannot know what it is like to question whether I am fully one sex or another.

One who does face such issues should have the same attitude as Christ -not my will be done, but yours -and sincerely apply the law based on continued consideration and an honest, informed view of their own sexual identity.

 

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Oestrogen may act to inhibit sexual desire and arousal, when used in the quantities it generally is in transgender MtF hormone replacement therapy. But that's not your orientation.

Again, please read this article about Bruce Jenner's orientation.

Bruce Jenner: Sexual Orientation Uncertain After Cross Hormone Therapy.

 

[Kirran]

"Homosexuality" is many things.

From a biblical perspective, one who desires to obey the God of the bible should acknowledge that God intended for one male to have sex with one female as long as they both were alive

Does this rule not necessarily apply to non-humans?

 

[Kirran]

Again, please read this article about Bruce Jenner's orientation.

Bruce Jenner: Sexual Orientation Uncertain After Cross Hormone Therapy.

I have already read this article. This is not a reputable source.

Even if it were, it would be anecdotal evidence at best.

 

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From a biblical perspective, one who desires to obey the God of the bible should acknowledge that God intended for one male to have sex with one female as long as they both were alive -and that any consideration of anything else under the law would be due to a person actually not being fully female or male.
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It should be noted that the main theme of the bible is overcoming one's nature, to bring themselves into obedience to God -to rule over themselves and their nature -not merely be subject to their nature.

But classical Taoism is about developing your nature and your destiny and your afterlife.

Merging Essences: Sex And Sexuality For Life And Afterlife

 

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This is not a reputable source.

Even if it were, it would be anecdotal evidence at best.

It is important to talk about this, over and over and over, to understand the therapy. From what you are saying, we MUST pressure medical researchers to test transsexuals. I am in agreement.

 

[Kirran]

It is important to talk about this, over and over and over, to understand the therapy. From what you are saying, we MUST pressure medical researchers to test transsexuals. I am in agreement.

How do you mean, test them?

 

[Etritonakin]

But classical Taoism is about developing your nature and your destiny and your afterlife.

Merging Essences: Sex And Sexuality For Life And Afterlife

Okie dokie

 

[columbus]

How do you mean, test them?

Keep in mind, Chevron got his esoteric knowledge of transgender therapy from analyzing the tattoo on the neck of a movie star in an action thriller.
Vin Kerosene or someone like that.
Tom

 

[Kirran]

Keep in mind, Chevron got his esoteric knowledge of transgender therapy from analyzing the tattoo on the neck of a movie star in an action thriller.
Vin Kerosene or someone like that.
Tom

Thanks. It is worth keeping in mind.

I'm trying to clear up the impossibility of this inlight of current scientific understanding of the effects of oestrogen on the human brain.

Edit: Vin Kerosene. Hehehe.

 

[Etritonakin]

Does this rule not necessarily apply to non-humans?

If you are speaking of the commandments, "sin is not imputed where there is no law" (Romans 4).
You can't expect a lion to keep the commandments if they cannot even memorize them.
We are also instructed in the bible to learn lessons from the animals, but to not let them be an example for our behavior.

We are essentially animals learning to be otherwise -capable of becoming otherwise.
Different laws apply to us simply due to the fact that they can -but also because they produce a more desirable state.

Even if all humans kept the latter commandments (which is obviously against our "nature"), the world would be a much more wonderful place.


Animals are subject to nature, for the most part -and can not even consider that fact.
We have the ability to make nature subject to us, but must also consider that we are still somewhat subject to nature at this time.

(Even when made immortal and given a body which is invulnerable, we will still be subject to our environment in other ways.
A less-than-desirable situation could still produce misery, for example.)

 

[Paranoid Android]

I know there are christian camps for homosexuals for healing.
Do u think that works if homosexuality is a illness and curse?

No, I do not.

I think the "Normalacy" foundation is being wiped, and a lot of straight people re trying through violence and discrimination to keep there illusion going,

For a long time, they have been able to keep the illusion going. But now, shame and humiliation are being wiped away, as more sexual minorities are coming to the front. Now is the time when you cannot wipe away the truth, as much as you'd liked to. The message is coming out loud and clear; We are GLBT, we exist and no force on Earth will keep us silent. It doesn't matter how hard you try to keep the illusion of "normality", it doesn't matter if you have guns and kill us, it doesn't matter if you torture us, it doesn't matter if you try to brainwash. Acceptance is nonnegotiable and even if it takes 1,000 years we WILL succeed.

 

[JoStories]

Maybe this is true, but does that mean that trans-gay therapy is implausible or impossible? Or that gay men fooling themselves into being straight is implausible or impossible? Ask yourself: is it implausible or impossible?

I'm certain that some gay men fool themselves into being straight which is due to the Christian community pressuring them and telling them how disgusting they are. What would you do if people randomly beat you up or spat on you or treated you like the WbC does? I have no idea what this 'trans-gay therapy' you speak of is. Are you suggesting that gay men should have female hormones injected? What on earth for unless they are transgendering?

 

[JoStories]

No, because the side effects are ugly. Gay men are not transgender men. If they take transition therapy, they could become fully transgender, including wanting to remove their dicks to make a vagina. Trans-gay therapy given to boys and men without their consent is even uglier, because they are all but raped to put the therapy in them. No one wants to talk about trans-gay because it is so ugly to all involved. It seems to pit gays against trans who think the world is already against them (ENDA's trans clause is a big issue in the LGB community).

Can you explain how this relates to the OP? Being gay is not an illness. That is the topic at hand. Not some weirdo science thing that has no bearing.

 

[JoStories]

"Homosexuality" is many things.

From a biblical perspective, one who desires to obey the God of the bible should acknowledge that God intended for one male to have sex with one female as long as they both were alive -and that any consideration of anything else under the law would be due to a person actually not being fully female or male.

For example.... Some people have both female and male genitalia. Perhaps not an "illness" as such, but it does show that traits of the two sexes can be mixed.

It is possible that this applies to other things which are not so visible or immediately apparent -I do not know whether or not that is the case, but that is not to say that people don't have any choice about how they express their sexuality -or even whether or not they are attracted to one sex or the other, or both.

It should be noted that the main theme of the bible is overcoming one's nature, to bring themselves into obedience to God -to rule over themselves and their nature -not merely be subject to their nature.

A person might really want to kill, steal, dishonor their parents, work on the sabbath, etc...... But they should do otherwise.

A person might also want to engage in sexual behavior other than what is allowed -but they should do otherwise.

The only consideration otherwise is when the law cannot be easily applied because there is an ACTUAL question as to whether one is male or female.

I know I am a male, so I cannot know what it is like to question whether I am fully one sex or another.

One who does face such issues should have the same attitude as Christ -not my will be done, but yours -and sincerely apply the law based on continued consideration and an honest, informed view of their own sexual identity.

My sexual identity is that I'm gay. I have no illusions about that nor any question about it. Whether the Bible says I shouldn't is immaterial to me as 1. I don't believe the Bible is the word of God And 2. God made me this way. What would I believe that God would make mistakes?
I can appreciate that the Bible guides your life and you live by it and it's tenets. I, however , don't adhere to those ideals and they have no meaning in my life. So while I respect your opinion I don't agree with it and it doesn't impact my life.

 

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Are you suggesting that gay men should have female hormones injected? What on earth for unless they are transgendering?

No, I'm not suggesting that. I am saying that this therapy is available. It causes brain damage and is given to gay men sometimes against their will by knocking them out with some kind of drug or whatever and injecting them in the brain stem or other part of the brain to coerce them into a sex orientation change.The injection is all but undetectable except for a raging headache which could be due to excessive partying.

Can you explain how this relates to the OP? Being gay is not an illness. That is the topic at hand. Not some weirdo science thing that has no bearing.

Gay is not an illness, but many people including gays (because of religion and home life) do still see it as illness. Sometimes (i have heard), they even betray their gay friends by injecting them as they sleep after sex. It's hard to tell except for a personality change that happens gradually.