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Is Human a kind of animal?

Is human a kind of animal?

  • Yes, biologically human, is an animal, who is smarter than other animals and can talk.

    Votes: 48 94.1%
  • No, human is not a type of animal. Please explain why human is not an animal.

    Votes: 3 5.9%

  • Total voters
    51

1213

Well-Known Member
Good question. Why do people hold on to a god that hasn't done anything positive lately? (Or ever.)
You should ask them. I hold Bible God as my God, and to me, Bible is very positive and actually I think it is because of God that I have everything.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You should ask them. I hold Bible God as my God, and to me, Bible is very positive and actually I think it is because of God that I have everything.
The God of the Bible, most clearly in the Old Testament, is capricious, vindictive, cruel, bloodthirsty and unjust. How is this not clear, with even a casual reading?
 

1213

Well-Known Member
The God of the Bible, most clearly in the Old Testament, is capricious, vindictive, cruel, bloodthirsty and unjust. How is this not clear, with even a casual reading?
I don't think that is true. But, perhaps you could explain why you think so?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't think that is true. But, perhaps you could explain why you think so?
God boasted to Satan about Job, and made a bet. Then he had Job's children killed and Job himself impoverished -- all to win a bet.

God sent Moses to Egypt to free the Israelites, but then He hardened Pharoah's heart, so he would not let them go. Why? Well, apparently to toy with the Egyptians, sending plagues and killing their first born. He likes setting up conflicts, tormenting and killing people.

What was that cruel game with Abraham and the sacrifice of his son? God toying with people again.

What was the point of killing Lot's wife?

Why does God sanction the beating of slaves nearly to death?

If a woman marries and is then found not to be a virgin, she's to be killed on her father's doorstep.

Why does God like slaughtering animals so much?

Why is the penalty for not worshiping the Bible's favorite God an eternity of torment?

God sent a plague to wipe out the Israelites, and ordered their leaders impaled -- for consorting with Moabite woman, but before they could be impaled, an Israelite and his Midianite girl friend walked by the meeting tent, and Phineas ran out and killed them both. God was so delighted with this senseless carnage, He stopped the plague after only 24,000 deaths, canceled the impaling, and appoints Phineas his priest.
He then has Moses to go and slaughter all the Midianites (not the Moabites), men, women, and children. with only the virgin girls kept as slaves by his men. God seems to love slaughter, and isn't too particular who gets killed.

The Bible's full of these kinds of divine shenanigans, Yet God is just and merciful, and loves us all.
:shrug:
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
God boasted to Satan about Job, and made a bet. Then he had Job's children killed and Job himself impoverished -- all to win a bet.
Bible doesn't speak about any bet, so why do you think so?
God sent Moses to Egypt to free the Israelites, but then He hardened Pharoah's heart, so he would not let them go. Why?
And by what is said in the Bible, the heart was hardened by asking freedom for the slaves and ending plagues. If God would not have done so, Jews would still be slaves, or the plagues would never have ended. Perhaps that is exactly what you wish.
What was that cruel game with Abraham and the sacrifice of his son?
Abraham knew his son could not die, because God had made a promise that would not allow it. Because of that I don't see any problem in the story.
What was the point of killing Lot's wife?
God had warned, she didn't obey. But, I think the case was like, if I tell you, "don't put your hand on fire, it will burn you", and you do it any way, is it my fault when your hand burns?
Why does God sanction the beating of slaves nearly to death?
Isn't that in all cases, not only slaves?

I don't think that is true, if we take everything that is said in the Bible.
If a woman marries and is then found not to be a virgin, she's to be killed on her father's doorstep.
I don't think anyone has a good reason to be adulterous, that is why I don't see a problem with this.
Why does God like slaughtering animals so much?
You did not delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices concerning sins.
Heb. 10:6
Why is the penalty for not worshiping the Bible's favorite God an eternity of torment?
Where do you get that idea?

Bible tells judgment is based on:

And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the Light, for their works were evil. For everyone practicing wickedness hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, that his works may not be exposed. But the one doing the truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.
John 3:19-21
God sent a plague to wipe out the Israelites, and ordered their leaders impaled -- for consorting with Moabite woman, but before they could be impaled, an Israelite and his Midianite girl friend walked by the meeting tent, and Phineas ran out and killed them both. God was so delighted with this senseless carnage, He stopped the plague after only 24,000 deaths, canceled the impaling, and appoints Phineas his priest.
He then has Moses to go and slaughter all the Midianites (not the Moabites), men, women, and children. with only the virgin girls kept as slaves by his men. God seems to love slaughter, and isn't too particular who gets killed.
By what the Bible tells, God wants evil and unrighteous people to die. I have no problem with that.
Yet God is just and merciful, and loves us all.
That God doesn't allow evil to continue forever, doesn't mean He is not also merciful and loving. If evil would continue eternally, it would make life eternal suffering for all. I don't see any good reason to want that.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Do you think of yourself and other people as a sort of Animal, or you consider yourself superior to animals?
Please explain your thoughts.
Depends on how you define "animal". If you define it as a warm blooded, air breathing, omnivore that produces milk upon giving birth, humans do fit that category along with all other mammals. However; don't confuse being an animal with being a beast.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Depends on how you define "animal". If you define it as a warm blooded, air breathing, omnivore that produces milk upon giving birth, humans do fit that category along with all other mammals. However; don't confuse being an animal with being a beast.
Yep. How fortunate we are to have made up this word to make us feel superior to other animals.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
Do you think of yourself and other people as a sort of Animal, or you consider yourself superior to animals?
Please explain your thoughts.
Since I am an animal, I respire, I excrete, I reproduce, I move, I respond to external stimuli etc...I consider myself an animal. no better or lesser than any other animal or plant or fungus or any other organism. As far as value to the global ecosystem (mother nature) is concerned. I am only superior in the sense that I can effect power over most other organisms, I encounter.
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Depends on how you define "animal". If you define it as a warm blooded, air breathing, omnivore that produces milk upon giving birth, humans do fit that category along with all other mammals. However; don't confuse being an animal with being a beast.
Do you see some humans worst than the beasts? Bloodthirsty humans do exist, no?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you see some humans worst than the beasts? Bloodthirsty humans do exist, no?
We're worse inasmuch as we're not good citizens of the ecosystem we inhabit.
Most organisms find a useful place in the complex, interdependent ecosystem we all inhabit. Sometimes, though, you get invasive or infectious species that don't fit in well. They evade normal checks and balances, and cause harm. Sometimes they even kill their host.

This currently describes humans.
Just as bacterial pathogens can evade checks and balances and disrupt the normal physiology of an individual organism, humans have become disruptive of the larger, planetary ecosystem.

The Earth is seriously ill, and the pathogen behind all the resource depletion and systemic disruption is ourselves. We never evolved to take the long view or consider multi-step sequences. Such was never selective during our species' formative millennia. We threaten to kill the host supporting us.
 
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Kfox

Well-Known Member
Do you see some humans worst than the beasts? Bloodthirsty humans do exist, no?
I hold humans to a much higher standard than I do beasts. I consider humans capable of evil, but not animals. If a human slaughtered a woman’s children then raped her, I would consider that evil, but if a lion did it, I call it nature.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I hold humans to a much higher standard than I do beasts. I consider humans capable of evil, but not animals. If a human slaughtered a woman’s children then raped her, I would consider that evil, but if a lion did it, I call it nature.
Excellent point. We're not only a planetary infection, but a naturally immoral species, as well.
So why your high opinion of them/us?

From a biological perspective, a very UNsuccessful species, all things considered....
 
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